bombs in london

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:21 am

It's expected that the possible Tsunami you mention will cause devastating floods as far as 20-30 miles inland depending on it's final height. There's a big difference between 50m & 150m too !!

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:54 am

sorry, I couldn't remember the exact value, but it was HUGE (!) exceedng 50m for sure.

We usually put this into the context of waves as experienced when swimming, just higher, which somewhat swap on land, wetten everything and push a few items aside - but those waves rush in with 150 miles/hour or so...

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:03 am

by by US East coast. That could happen any time at all

Get ready to run like hell

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:30 am

Yeh, life's dangerous.
 
It's a shame that it's so much MORE dangerous for some than for others. Especially the millions of UK Muslims who are now not only under the supposed threat of terrorism in the UK, but also threatened by the brittish police with government backing of the 'shoot to kill to protect' law that's apparently now in force.

So lets take a quick look at that one. Jean Charles de Menezes didn't speak english. There was no HARD evidence. Police approached or moved in on the guy in plain clothes, not uniforms. They shot him dead because he was 'under suspicion' & fled when they moved on him. This is surely a huge turning point in the 'Law' on the subject of human rights. It makes a mockery of us all that this has been accepted & officially brushed asside. It's tantmount to being 'guilty until proven innocent'. The shoot-to-kill policy, codenamed Operation Kratos, was put in place six months after 9/11..... nice... very nice

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:15 am

On 2005-07-26 05:30, notbobmoog wrote:
... It makes a mockery of us all that this has been accepted & officially brushed asside. ...

not more than the acceptance of '... but I was in a hurry to get to work (my date, weekend shopping, party or whatever)...' you hear as an excuse if someone blasted a child's (husband, girlfriend, granddaddy's...) life by his (or her) car.

statistics is a form of cynism, but all UK 'immigrants' (like everyone else) can feel perfectly safe compared to the dangers we're used to live with.

Check out your chance to catch a deathly infection by an arbitrary (!) hospital treatment. I guarantee you'll be frightened to ever cross such a doorstep again

yes indeed, (far) more people die from sepsis than from heart attacks and cancer - but have you ever seen someone frightened because he cut his finger or scratched an ellbow ?

regarding the police officer in question this is simply a different form of hunting - it's the killer instinct, that makes it's way from sub- to non-consciousness.

Sad, but true - and no cynism again.
I HAVE SEEN myself the reaction of someone who was about to start a job at the police regarding his gun.
How much it was appreciated, a kind of power he formerly didn't have - his eyes were bright when he was talking about the thing.
And let's not forget he preferred a certain training range because it's the only one around 25 miles where combat shooting is allowed...
They play it in Hollywood as on TV every night - so WHAT do you expect ?

it's not really a political item in itself, yet politics is known to take advantage of full of hysteria situations like these.

from the moral point of view you're absolutely right - it's a shame, and it's an even greater one when you consider the 'common' consciousness of a society (or better the lack thereof).
So don't point at the goverment - point at your neighbour(s)

concerned though, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:43 pm

it's obvious YOU had good teachers. who taught the neighbor? who is the government? what is it that the government governs? whose purposes are being served? are the ufo signatures correct and am i being served for supper?

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:16 am

All good questions, which i'll let someone else have a squeek at answering

Yes, you are to be served for supper unfortunately.

Shit happens.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:50 pm

"The shoot-to-kill policy, codenamed Operation Kratos, was put in place six months after 9/11..... nice... very nice"

It's the same thing as the "Patriot Act".
And there will be more updates to this Operation. Civil Rights?
Terror Terror , Giving up rights , Power shifts to Government , Terror Terror , Giving up more rights , More shifting of power to the government.
Are we stuck in this loop or what?

Casper

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:47 pm

Yes, very sinister. The whole episode of what happened is weird - they allowed the guy to get on a bus, pretty strange if you suspect the guy is a bomber. And people seem to somehow think that it's okay for someone to be killed by the government in the name of the war on terror... a very strange mindset is being cultivated here. Why the *&$% is it okay for the government to kill innocent people in a war on terror (when they really have enough resources to make sure they don't make costly mistakes like this)?

How is this not a form of terrorism in itself (terrorising your own people to not look suspicious or risk getting shot in the head 8 times before you can prove your innocence)?

It's really got to the point where if you look a bit foreign with a rucksack you have to really be careful not to freak people out or arouse suspicion. Imagine running for a train...

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Casper · Post by **Casper** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:30 am

But how about this loop ?

for(ever)
{
if(power smallerthen government wish)
{
Government creates problem , People get scared , Power shift to government
}}

I call it , the Hegelian Loop. Invented long before I was born.

Casper

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:57 am

It's hard to say what exactly is going on, but i would definately like to find out. The situation stinks of them abstractly trying to drum up public support for the attrocities already commited, the ongoing british involvement in the gulf, the unlawful passing of new 'security' laws & the forfiet of our most cherished ethos such as freedom of speech & basic civil rights.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:47 am

not ethos but RIGHTS...often ignored, trampled on and abrogated, but rights, still.

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:20 am

On 2005-07-15 07:55, Cochise wrote:
I agree the war in Afghanistan/Iraq, altough it was set off from the twin towers bloody attack, is a 'democracy lesson' caused lot of thousand innocent victims using hypocritical words as 'enduring freedom', by wich US Government got rid of personalities now rebelled against the same power had created them.
I absolutely not think the blood of Muslim people worth less than Western people's blood. Every day, however, we hear tv news about victims there, and a lot of us are now desensitized.
Beyond the fear for a terroristic attack personally involving me (very few probability my town could be choosed as a target) this episode striked me cause it was against a State containings in itself important positive symbols for my imaginary.
UK is for me the country that procreated and adopted mythical personality in the music scene (I'm thinking about John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix...); the country let grow in itself the punk moviment.
In my head it's like someone put a bomb in the Speaker's Corner, Hyde park.
And I can't forget, although in the past British colonialism was stained with bloody crimes like Zulu massacre, it was able to withdraw in the face of Ghandi pacifism.

Sorry, I forgot the Bloody Sunday

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Zer · Post by **Zer** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:42 am

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blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:43 pm

Stardust, can't you read?!?

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Zer · Post by **Zer** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:25 am

I just wanted to post an image here...but while I posted it - the owner guarded it - so there was only a little boy pointing the f-finger and saying don´t link me...so I decided it`s better to kill this thing - I do not want to hurt people who might have been involved there.

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