bombs in london

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:31 pm

whats really wild is that people actually belieave carpet bombing a pipeline is CHEAPER than digging it.

LOL

if we were talking 'nam, with burning down trees etc. u would atleast have half a point.

but now you are just talking stupid.

sorry, but you're wrong

piddi

(yup, this one is adressed to "notbobmoog"-

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Post by **garyb** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:45 pm

pipelines run on top of the ground. the bombing was not to dig, but to clear the area of life.....

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:00 am

Piddi, please define 'wrong' for us.

It was an opinion. One which i'm entitled to voice (no matter how ill-phrased) until i take my last breath

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:40 am

Something i Was wrong about & should correct, are the facts on the 9/11 films. I stated above that the propaganda film 'Fahrenhype 9/11' was a blatent attack on 'In plain sight', which it wasn't. It was an attack the Moore film 'Fahrenhiet 9/11'.

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:09 am

"Their calendar ends on winter solstice 21 Dec 2012, a day when the sun is positioned exactly in the direction of the center of our galaxy, a very rare event."

Do you mean moving into this center ? Or being in position but moving in a save direction?

mm still don't get how this toppic got from boms in Londen to Mayascience to carpet bombing a pipeline

But it's interesting. Liked that last URL.
Though reading but interesting. Stared for an hour at least now.

Casper

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:03 am

On 2005-07-21 03:09, Casper wrote:

Do you mean moving into this center ? Or being in position but moving in a save direction?

It's all explained if you do a google search.
Basically on that particular solstice, Venus's cycle brings it closer to earth than it's ever been before & a little too close for comfort. Scientists & theorists are trying to work out the significance of this & the extremely unusual alignment of the other
planets at this more than curious point in time.

"mm still don't get how this toppic got from boms in Londen to Mayascience to carpet bombing a pipeline

"

The thread was bombed with tangents quite early on & the bombings in Afganistan are probably more relevant to London than the dark ages IMO. I suppose bringing the 2012
issue into the thread is just pure chaos theory

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:11 am

On 2005-07-21 03:09, Casper wrote:
...
Do you mean moving into this center ? Or being in position but moving in a save direction?
...

no, not at all - it's just that the galaxy's center, the sun and the earth are perfectly aligned on that day, a thing that only happens every some thousand years.
Noone knows how they calculated this prediction, but it's rather unlikely that it's a hit by chance (considering their other astronomic capabilities).

the black hole 'story' was added by me as some contemporary sci-fi irony - too much films - or books possibly

these cross refed discussions are indeed time consuming

but where else can you do such far reaching mental jumps ?

the relation to the London bombings (aside from the usual end time scenario) is the image of society (in the widest context) these events provide.

People do consider themselves educated, sophisticated, capable today... watch them on omnipresent TV... and then see an ancient culture predicting an event without any of our current tools. An event as far from them as the building of the pyramids is from us, using a time scale of 5k years - impressive.

If you've read the mythological explanation the complete scenario even makes perfect sense - it's not just the detection of a 'mechanical' process, but also put in a philosophical context.

I don't consider the Mayans 'superior' to us and don't want to romanticise an ancient culture - but there is a point WHAT we do achieve with our technology.
Fiddling with explosives is just a small aspect (nothing particular btw - it was one of my hobbies in schooldays - and I was always amazed WHAT stuff they'd sell to a 17 year boy without even asking...), but it's a symptom.

imho this world isn't even ruled by greed or money - it's reigned by pure stupidity.

religious or oil fanatic - politician or consumer - scientist or priest - everywhere you look you find similiar mental dysfunctions (in large scale perspective).
...but according to books it was said to be not much different in ancient Rome

cheers, Tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:48 am

Infoman rules

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:49 am

Wait a minute, that was stupid

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:10 am

don't take the blurb too serious

cheers, Tom

unfortunately breaking news is that they have another series of 'events' in London
complete subway system is closed...

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:14 am

R U serious ?

Mathematics are at the center of everything & must rule the world we live in BTW.

If this is true, the odds were high that it would happen.

Piece

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:25 am

On 2005-07-21 05:11, astroman wrote:
...but according to books it was said to be not much different in ancient Rome

cheers, Tom

same system in action........

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:22 pm

I can't say I'm one of those people who delights in crazy predictions and Nostradamus and all that crap. However those Mayans were a pretty advanced civilization, with a depth of wisdom that our primitive capitalist culture could really learn from. They were also pretty damn amazing cosmologists, no-one can really argue with that. So the 2012 thing certainly makes me think..

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:53 pm

"Duck and cover"

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:58 pm

On 2005-07-21 06:14, notbobmoog wrote:
R U serious ?

Mathematics are at the center of everything & must rule the world we live in BTW.

If this is true, the odds were high that it would happen.

Piece

Mathematics don't rule the world. They are a way of reading it and sometimes of writing it. A product of our mind that we direct influenced by all the other components, education, fears, desires, needs.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:44 pm

On 2005-07-21 14:53, darkrezin wrote:
"Duck and cover"

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:34 am

" Duck & cover " might do the trick if you're standing on a moutain top when the Oceans rise & the floods come. Me, I've started building an Ark for Noah EX

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:20 am

On 2005-07-21 15:58, alfonso wrote:

Mathematics don't rule the world. They are a way of reading it and sometimes of writing it. A product of our mind that we direct influenced by all the other components, education, fears, desires, needs.

I agree to an extent, but mathemetitions have been calculating & simulating the workings of nature for thousands of years. All related sciences rely centrally on maths. For all i know, we in this universe / dimension are all blindly part of just one beautifull equation.

This place has a fitting name: <a href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2005- ... thworld</a>

Micha · Post by **Micha** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:46 am

I also prefer Platos's idea, connected with ability and chance to realize. To find THE formula may be possible, but how many contraints will it have? A hell lot of work to find out. And will the result be really a thing anyone can handle, or, do we really want it like that?
Yesterday I've seen a film at ARTE, the guy showed how medieval towns were planned with lines and circles. I believe him, very convincing how he reconstructed Wismar. But I don't want to have like this as a "world plan". It's fun to find out later, that there has been some math with it. But not in advance. Too cold from the feeling, IMHO.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:13 am

ok, possibly not politically correct - but since the Mathworld link starts with another catastrophy example (tsunami simulation), here's another horror a significant number of 'western' citizens are facing...

just to put concern into context again, it's a non-cosmic event with a definate probability.

the Canary isle of La Palma is a fairly instabile vulcano. The next outbreak is expected to part the mountain into 2 halves along a line of about 20km. One half is supposed to slide a few km down into the Atlantic Ocean - triggering a mega tsunami moving to the american east coast.
It's expected to reach the border with a height no less than 50-150m within 6 hours after the event...
Go figure THAT scenario

After the last tsunami event in Asia this (highly realistic) danger has eventually been mentioned in news, but before there was almost no coverage at all.
I only noticed it once as a sidenote in a TV feature about that isle some 2 years ago.

I mean there a meteorites (a few k tons hit us every day), tsunamis and earthquakes (as a regular geological activity), traffic, unawareness and playing games with one's own health...
LIFE IS DANGEROUS - it always ends deadly

so why bother about a few idiots running mad ?
As has been mentioned - a clear view of what's going on helps to not get drawn into the mind machinery of someone else.

cheers, Tom
btw the quote about life is from a physician

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