Newbie wants advice (not me!) Please read!

sonicstrav · Post by **sonicstrav** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:23 pm

A nice thread on kvr - all VST guys - good place to push Scope - there's a newbie that wants advice - there have been a lot of viewings on this thread - would be nice if some users could contribute- espically scope4live (I'd love to see him on kvr!) - and push the Scope platform to the unconverted

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192990

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:42 pm

Glad to see more hungry youths making correct decisions based on consensus, instead of marketing hype.

I see many of our fellow members over there bolstering the htreads with zeal.

This makes me proud.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:21 am

i think you'll find the 'newbie' is already here. Hello Casar

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:34 am

sadly it seems to drift off into another summing quality debate with people going "I trust my ears more than math"

I don't think people should try and convince others to go for Scope because supposedly mixes sound magically better in Scope. There is not proof for this other than a lot of people claiming to hear something. Flexible routing, great synths, quality fx, good 3rd party support, modularity... those are real proven traits of the Scope platform and I think people better focus on those.
It's also rather unneccesary to make snide comments about how VSTi is "hobbyist" and "crashes 2 times per project" (HifiBoom, I'm looking at you here

). That just makes Scope users look like snobs. We all know very well that both options can be used perfectly well side by side and both have their strenghts and weaknesses.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:54 am

King of Snake wrote: I don't think people should try and convince others to go for Scope because supposedly mixes sound magically better in Scope. There is not proof for this other than a lot of people claiming to hear something. Flexible routing, great synths, quality fx, good 3rd party support, modularity... those are real proven traits of the Scope platform and I think people better focus on those.

True.

But mixes do sound better don't they

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siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:47 pm

King of Snake wrote:sadly it seems to drift off into another summing quality debate with people going "I trust my ears more than math"
I don't think people should try and convince others to go for Scope because supposedly mixes sound magically better in Scope. There is not proof for this other than a lot of people claiming to hear something. Flexible routing, great synths, quality fx, good 3rd party support, modularity... those are real proven traits of the Scope platform and I think people better focus on those.
It's also rather unneccesary to make snide comments about how VSTi is "hobbyist" and "crashes 2 times per project" (HifiBoom, I'm looking at you here ). That just makes Scope users look like snobs. We all know very well that both options can be used perfectly well side by side and both have their strenghts and weaknesses.

Yeah, even I got sucked into the 'summing debate', but also wanted to emphasize the sound quality over the usual promotions of routing flexibility, great synths, 3rd party support, etc. etc.

There is a definite distinction with Scope, which is why I embarked down this path way back in '99!

Greg

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:21 pm

There definately IS cause to talk of the sound quality of Scope be it in the synthesis area or otherwise, but it's not down to any one factor. I think it's down to the guys, the team who made Scope on Sharcs in the first place, the AD/DA converters on our Scope boards (which are great compared to certain other DSP based audio cards btw), the quality of the dsp assembler coding, the quality, depth & flexibility of the modules & system they built based on that dsp code, the quality of the devices made by Creamware which use those modules.. The list really does go on & on!!.. Not that it's a flawless system, but it IS fantastic & it IS up there with the best of the best in dsp-based audio hardware. In many areas, possibly even THE BEST!!

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:26 pm

good points there Shroomz!

Greg

Post by **hubird** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:27 pm

VST is for people who are lasy, don't have time, and don't hunt for quality and specialization.
Yet it is still underestimated, no escape from that..
I wish SC was a serious (niche) party on the market, which can't be said so far.
Not that it would change so much for me so soon, but a strong and tempting SonicCore would be a reassuring future image.
Long live SC

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:56 am

Btw guys here's also another thread on a pretty well known blog: http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/en ... 10#replies

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:44 am

hubird wrote:VST is for people who are lasy, don't have time, and don't hunt for quality and specialization.

again, I just don't get what the purpose of such statements is. Why this need to talk crap about VST (and it's users) all the time? Surely most people here (and most musicians period) use VST as part of their arsenal.

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:46 am

Have you seen the size of that thread, damn it's big, that's gotta be good no ?

There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.

Oscar Wilde.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:35 am

plus, if any VST sounds crappy, we can always sweeten it with Scope effects, etc.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:01 am

I use VSTi's only for sample based instruments at this point.

But after demo'ing dozens of VSTi synths, I haven't found one I liked. I have researched a synth called Rapture and it seems as though those chaps wanted to be known for authentic emulation and sound, as the synth is very CPU intensive. Since it has separate portamento features per Oscillator, this could be a monophonic beast. We shall see about that.

Using VSTi's is a great way to broaden our Scope ( no pun intended ), you simply fill in the gaps in your sampler and synth arsenal.

Hell I have even used my son's Yamaha " Pro " home keyboard w/ 61 notes, and speakers at a gig before. You just gotta " wing it " sometimes. Believe in yourself, and your own ideas, and ears. Where there's a will, there's a way.

I Could Sell An Eskimo A Block Of Ice On A Good Night.

le_tigre · Post by **le_tigre** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:03 am

<Shroomz> wrote:...the AD/DA converters on our Scope boards (which are great compared to certain other DSP based audio cards btw)...

I don't have my cards handy; what converters are used? The A16 Ultra uses the same AKMs as M-Audio's Audiophile 2496 cards - far from the best available, but good enough to get the job done. If I were strictly concerned with IO quality, then the Creamware offerings wouldn't be the first or last stops.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:25 am

yes, that's correct - if it was only in the converters, there wouldn't be this difference in (most, if not all) VST sounds. Even the good ones sound quite different from Scope - not necessarily worse, just different.
I prefer the option of choice - all and everything in Scope is boring, too

cheers, Tom