Return of the.. BSOD!!! :(

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:04 pm

Hey guys.

A While ago my new computer suffered BSOD and random freezes. I tweaked it for some time until the bsod were no longer present.

when i'm talking about bsod's, i haven't tested it with cubase, only general winxp use.

now i got my new studio furniture, setup my whole gear and computer up and running, and suddenly the computer bsod's all over again. thsi time i've tested with cubase,scope,general winxp use... it happens even when not using cubase or the audio card.

My setup is:

P4 3.0 Ghz
Asus p4s800-deluxe
512 MB Ram
Western digital 120gb S-ATA drive
Winxp pro.

Tweaking done so far:

- latest drivers for all devices
- latest bios revision
- under bios: disabled everything not being used: hyperthreading,usb,lan,soundmax,serial ports,even cd-rom
- disabled unwanted services under winxp
- deleted unused fonts
- all the performance tweaks - graphics,static virtual memory file
- using ps2 mouse instead of the usb mouse

My speculations, and i need u to help me on this.. because these are mere speculations:

1. While trying to install a second harddrive, i accidently broke down one of the S-ATA connectors on the MB, so i had to connect my HD to the second one (there are 2, the one i ruined had some bent pins and some were broken altogether, not usable anymore) - could this cause some sort of problem?

2. I installed a second HD - i don't know perhaps it conflicts somehow with some other device?

3. MIDI issues - i've heard people talking about not using the creamware midi, why is that? my midi keyboard (Studiologic sl-161) doesnt send active-sensing or stuff like that.

4. Any thoughts??

PLEASE! if anyone can help me out! I've waited for many monthes to get my new furniture to fit all the gear and have everything working 100% , but now i can't use anything... please throw any ideas that come to mind and i will test them.

Thanks!

Lior tal

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:07 pm

What is the bug check code?

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:17 pm

it is the regular blue screen.
each time the message is different.

i've had one time a message with the file name WINSCSI. something .. i can't recall

and several times win32k.sys i think..

What does that mean to u? the blue screen i guess is just showing some sort of memory conflict or software malfunctioning..

Also i'd like to mention that the Creamware card (Luna2) is sitting in PCI slot 3, and using irq 4 (not sharing with anything)

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:22 pm

I helps a lot when you write down the exact bug check code and what where you doing when it happened (besides rearraging your furniture).

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Post by **garyb** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:28 pm

it could really be from that damage...at any rate, you need to replace the mobo if there are damaged connectors....

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:11 pm

But i have another SATA connector on it... why should i replace the whole mobo..?

i would replace it if i found the problem was caused only by this..

u have any more guesses?

Post by **garyb** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:28 pm

that stuff requires "termination" being serial, afaik. a broken connector could have evrything to do with it, especially with "broken" and "bent" conductors...

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:30 pm

Okay, but that's a thing i can't really try overnight...

lucky for me that mobo is pretty cheap.

will give it a go.

but can bad termination of that connector cause Blue screens? how does one have to do with other?

Post by **garyb** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:32 pm

blue screen indicates a failure(hard-software).....

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:11 am

here is the screen that i got this morning.
computer was up and running for around an hour. SCOPE software was shut down.

just messed around with opening windows & such. then i re-enabled my 2nd hard-drive and continued messing around.

after 2 minutes this is what i got:

STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC00000005,0xBF8519D7,0XF35FB27C,0x00000000)

*** win32k.sys - Address BF8519D7 base at BF800000, DateStamp 3b7de698

Beginning dump of physical memory.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:22 am

you might want to get a mobo with an intel chipset as well. the sis chipset is pretty crappy....

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:21 am

On 2004-09-08 17:30, lysergide wrote:
... but can bad termination of that connector cause Blue screens? how does one have to do with other?

a bad terminator at this place causes random and senseless data bursts (and interrupts) on one of the disk channels - a high priority device.

cheers, Tom

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:26 am

A connector such as this can cause random bursts even when nothing connected to it?

Right now i'm reformatting the system partition, will install XP all over again.

Curiously the system only freezes when under the windows software, while installing everything runs OK.

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 7:37 am

Tried formatting & Reinstalling Win XP.

Only BSOD's!!

Mostly by the end of the Winxp installation.

Changed the Luna card to PCI 1. Still same.

TOOK IT OUT completely, tried format&install, still blue screen. (IRQ_LESS_OR_EQUAL) something like that.

What is going on... i am so upset about this.
speculations? the S-ata connector again? could this really be it??

Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:39 pm

This error can relateto bad RAM too but the mainboard got to go if peices of it were broken off.

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lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:54 pm

Yes i am replacing my board on sunday...
i would want to upgrade it rather than just get a same... i've read about SiS chipsets being low quality.

Any suggestions regarding what would be a nice replacement board? i've been looking at the P4C800,P4P800 and P4P800 SE

also been trying to test the problem, so i evantually was able to install XP without the computer freezing or BSOD...

left it while leaving for work for 5 hours, and when i got back it was still working no blue screens. (note that creamware card is not installed now)

this is very random and weird error going on...

Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:48 pm

many users on this forum seem to suggest the following

Intel D875PBZ

OR

ASUS P4C800-e

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 10:56 am

Is there any advantages to Intel boards over ASUS ones?

All my past computers had ASUS... is that a difference? (stability and such)

Post by **garyb** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:14 am

both are good. asus offers more bios settings. it is better for overclocking.

intel is a more stable mobo(less tweaking things just generally work, but no overclocking). it IS their standard....

lysergide · Post by **lysergide** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:09 am

Well still haven't changed the board
but evantually was able to format my system partition (without blue screens).

installed a clean WinXP-PRO, ran the basic performance tweaks (without registry and services cleaning).

Tested the computer for freezes - left it idle for about 7 hours. no freeze. tried moving large directories around (copied the Windows directory 4 times simultaniously to a few other locations) - no freezes.

Installed the Luna card, tested some PCI slots, it was happiest in PCI 3 (not sharing any IRQ - IRQ4).

innstalled SCOPE 4.0 and drivers. left it idle. now it is up for around 4 hours - no freeze...

So perhaps i've solved the problem....

Things i have changed after formatting though:

Enabled ACPI (in bios only) , enabled HT in bios, switching from the PS2 mouse to USB mouse (could this be the problem?? i had a weird feeling about this).

I hope it will stay like this.
Tomorrow i will re-install Cubase SX 2.2

Will keep u updated...

Lior