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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:13 pm

play music?

thorkell · Post by **thorkell** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:13 pm

--- reminder--
I think that this part of Franks post is the most important for us at the moment!!

* SFP future
No question that we plan to develop the platform further. Same goes for Noah. There are many ideas both re: a possible SFP 4.0 as well as for plugins. We will just need some time to get organized, it is still much too early to make any specific announcements. Anyway, please do not expect any miracles - we won't have a staff count as we had before.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:21 pm

Thanks thorkell

I forgot during all the other fill in this thread.

p.s. Interlooper -> I never stated that I was only refering to you!

R-type · Post by **R-type** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:28 pm

Renaming the 'Scope Fusion Platform' and doing a few minor changes would have at least one benefit.

Creamware Audio could announce the "new" software and get it reviewed in all the Music magazines like SOS and Future Music.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:00 pm

On 2004-02-03 18:21, Immanuel wrote:

p.s. Interlooper -> I never stated that I was only refering to you!

It's ...loper, hehehe. Yes, I believe you were equally blasting some others as well. Well, since I dished it out, I feel obligated to take the criticism anyway.

Discussion = good, suppression = bad, mmmkay.

On a serious note, Noah should be able to talk to SFP, or Scope (if it's rebranded). I also know a number of users looking at Magma chassis solutions to work with their PCI cards and a laptop. Does anyone know how Magma solutions connect to a laptop and what the bandwidth limitation is?

I think this has been mentioned before, but it would be really cool to create a box with some of the Noah hardware parts that could house up to three cards. Perhaps a PCMCIA interface would provide decent bandwidth? Or Firewire?

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:18 pm

Actually, thinking about it, if people want an external BOX, that needs a powerplug anyway - why not just get a rack mountable 4U PC case. It has been mentioned before.

It doesn't solve the MAC issue though, and it will still need WinXP or MacOS. But it is the way, I am looking to go.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:36 pm

This may be true, but not everybody is an engineer or computer whiz. The box might work for us and others (I'm actually looking into it, based on your suggestion), but new prospective customers that compare the hardware to the Powercore box might think twice before dropping cash on CWA products.

I enjoy optimizing my PC, but some people have neither the desire or the time. My guess is that they want a portable plug & play solution.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:38 pm

Why can't SFP run Noah as well as the SCOPE cards? You'd have a "Noah Mixer," and the plugins could run on all the hardware just like they run on multiple SCOPE cards. So there would only need to be one piece of software.

Just a thought....

menno · Post by **menno** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:14 am

I agree with Shayne. It would be great to have a something like Noah in which you can just load any SFP project with it's associated devices. This is what I had originally hoped Noah would be able to do.

Cheers,
Menno

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:39 am

I don't agree at all with the posts which are saying "you shouldn't be talking about that" or even "let's put ourselves in CW's place".

Firstly, who's anyone here to say to anybody else what they should or shouldn't want from CW?

And secondly, who here can homestly put themselves in CW's place? Let CW decide how they're going to move forward.

Everybody posting here are simply indicating what *they* would like from CW, and there's nothing wrong with that. So...let's allow everybody to put across their wishes and allow CW to make whatever descisions they see fit.

Royston

p.s. obviously everybody here has a vested interest in the future of the company, but unless new products are developed I wonder how much scope there is for CW to make much money out of *us* - we've already bought their product(s)!

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:36 am

On 2004-02-03 16:46, Immanuel wrote:
"Maybe you should try actually reading Franks's announcement before posting nonsense."

"... you are going to poo poo what most everyone hailed as a good thing? Sheesh."

Those lines do (in my mind) contain "unneded" parts for the discussion. I think it is fine, that so many people are happy. But we are speculating in happiness - and bitching about GonZoft being worried.

Ok, I wasn't being very polite, and I apologize, but Gonzoft's comments were not just "being worried", he was actually saying opposite things than what Frank had laid out very clearly in his statement. Plus his idea that CWA would suddenly ditch SFP and Pulsar and replace it with some completely new product just does not make sense at all. However badly the company was doing, a move like that would spell certain doom for sure. It's just really negative speculation based on zero facts and directly opposite to Frank's press release.
I don't mind if someone has an opinion, even a negative one, but please base it on facts or logic.

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:52 am

On 2004-02-03 20:38, Shayne White wrote:
Why can't SFP run Noah as well as the SCOPE cards? You'd have a "Noah Mixer," and the plugins could run on all the hardware just like they run on multiple SCOPE cards. So there would only need to be one piece of software.

SFP is a highly dynamic thing with loading and unloading DSP code.
A fast channel to mobo Ram is required and so devices like Solaris, which makes heavy use of load optimizing, simply cannot run in this tight space.
It's a very fundamental aspect of the system and a big an advantage for loading different project scenarios.

I'm really convinced that NOAH will evolve in this direction, most likely with a faster interface, too.
As you said, it's basically a matter of software.

cheers, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:04 am

Clearly if it was a publicly held company the management would have been replaced already. Unlike other people I'm not afraid CW will disappear. I only wish they could sell the company *now* and get their products to the places they need to be. I noticed that after Nemesys was sold to Tascam, there was a tremendous increase in the marketing of Nemesys products and also some synergy such as offering software and hardware bundled together. This will increase in the future. Let Creamware do what they are good at which is designing fantastic hardware and software and let's not have Creamware do what they are very bad at which is marketing their goods.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:42 am

On 2004-02-04 05:36, King of Snake wrote:
Ok, I wasn't being very polite, and I apologize, but Gonzoft's comments were not just "being worried", he was actually saying opposite things than what Frank had laid out very clearly in his statement. Plus his idea that CWA would suddenly ditch SFP and Pulsar and replace it with some completely new product just does not make sense at all. However badly the company was doing, a move like that would spell certain doom for sure. It's just really negative speculation based on zero facts and directly opposite to Frank's press release.
I don't mind if someone has an opinion, even a negative one, but please base it on facts or logic.

Indeed, indeed...my thoughts exactly.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:11 am

On 2004-02-04 04:39, Counterparts wrote:
I don't agree at all with the posts which are saying "you shouldn't be talking about that" or even "let's put ourselves in CW's place".

Firstly, who's anyone here to say to anybody else what they should or shouldn't want from CW?

And secondly, who here can homestly put themselves in CW's place? Let CW decide how they're going to move forward.

Everybody posting here are simply indicating what *they* would like from CW, and there's nothing wrong with that. So...let's allow everybody to put across their wishes and allow CW to make whatever descisions they see fit.

Royston

p.s. obviously everybody here has a vested interest in the future of the company, but unless new products are developed I wonder how much scope there is for CW to make much money out of *us* - we've already bought their product(s)!

Hi Royston!

I’m going to answer this because I am the one who said:

“I think people posting ideas, should perhaps put themselves into CWA place, so their ideas can make sense in a "practical" way. There are many interesting ideas, but they are totally out of scope, because the company would not be able to spend time on them”.

I keep my words entirely, I don’t think I have said anything wrong Royston, my post makes sense. Please, give to my words the right interpretation: “It is better to give Creamware Audio some feasible ideas, not personal ideas that are impossible even if great, because CWA are trying to do something to help themselves quickly, so to restart their business”.

As you suggest, all ideas are respectable, so are yours, as are mine. If you think well, your post is expressing exactly what you say others members neither should write here… I mean, you are sort of imposing some rules to the play… (I beg you NOT to take it as an offence, please, it is not) It’s all a matter or perception and understanding. I am willingly answering you so to understand wisely each other. I want to help, and so, have suggested for us to put ourselves in CWA place.

I would even insist in this point, please, if we want to talk about our personal needs, or differences, if we want to dispute positions etc., lets do it in a separate thread, and this would be perfect, no problem, why not?, but not here. I just think that it may be a bit annoying in a few weeks time, when this thread has grown to about 200 posts and those working seriously to pull out some clear ideas from our words, have to read about all soft of external topics and personal fights, not belonging to the questions we have been asked for. But obviously, anybody can write what they want; it is a “suggestion”, not a commandment what I’m saying. I have learned long… long time ago, that I am nobody.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:15 am

On 2004-02-04 08:04, braincell wrote:
... I noticed that after Nemesys was sold to Tascam, there was a tremendous increase in the marketing of Nemesys products and also some synergy such as offering software and hardware bundled together. ...

slightly off topic, but since this contains aspects to CWA's products here it goes:
Braincell, I hope you noticed that the first cracks of Gigasampler entered the net even before the program hit the stores.

Obviously DSP code protects pretty well, but it will become a concern if you make that developement package available for everyone.
Not that I'm against it, but you WILL experience serious attempts, definetely.

Then Nemesis had a ridiculuous price policy - they had a real broad target, but sold as a highly specialized item.
Then dropping prices constantly, undermining existing customers and dealers confidence.

CWA's prices have been remarkably constant in comparison to that and long term customers were frequently offered 'specials'.
This is also a part of marketing and it is the right way to go if you rely on your customer base.

cheers, Tom

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:18 am

Nestor wrote
I have learned long… long time ago, that I am nobody.

Not true - you are a great person

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:25 am

Hiya Nestor

I think we can safely agree to differ a little bit here

No harm done.

I don't really know anything about what's happening 'under the hood' at CW, hence I posted what I personally would like to see happen (and hopefully those things are quite feasible):

Improve UI responsiveness
Improve start-up / project loading options
Improve STS samplers

I'd happily pay some cash for such an upgrade too.

As I pointed out in another thread, I live in different universe from 'marketing & sales' so I don't really have a lot of constructive points to offer CW in that respect.

You're nobody? Highly unlikely!

Nothing...well that's another thing. That we nothings can stare straight into the face of Eternity...Wow!

Regards,

Royston (carefully balancing terror and awe)

edit: I agree with your point re: too much innapropriate posting in this thread (like this posting!) That's why I initially asked "is this the in-depth question and answer forum with Frank" in my first post. Is it?

Perhaps a more formal thread should be started, strictly moderated by John (if willing) where we all make a single post each regarding Creamware's future developments?

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:59 am

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:30 pm

And I'll ask for a third time whether the free release of the development software means you could develop synths on a PulsarII board ?