CreamWare reloaded

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:50 am

Hmm, yeah now that you mention it, that was pretty much announced by Frank already no? So maybe no e-piano plugin just yet

GonZoft · Post by **GonZoft** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:50 am

On 2004-02-03 09:10, King of Snake wrote:

Maybe you should try actually reading Franks's announcement before posting nonsense.

Maybe you should try to keep things polite and not to patronize too much when answering other people's comments.

Now, only because it's the old dudes that bought the company back doesn't mean that they will go "See? We were right! Let's not change a thing!" and do the same mistakes they did before. And more. They most probably had to get some major credit from a bank which means that the bank will have this or other power of decision, independently of what they would like to do. I simply don't believe that the current Pulsar/SFP system has a future. Creamware didn't have enough human resources for this ambitious project with its own OS etc. Now that they have to fire people and outsource work, they will have to stick to less ambitious projects.

That's my opinion. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps not.

Cheers

GonZoft

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:41 am

I just wish they'd work on SFP 3.1d to fix a few bugs, if 4.0 won't come out for a long time.

I don't see any reason to stop using the name SFP. It's an acronym, it doesn't have to mean anything. Does anyone know what PCI stands for? DVD? I do, but I know some people who don't.

Shayne

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:43 am

On 2004-02-03 10:50, GonZoft wrote:
Maybe you should try to keep things polite and not to patronize too much when answering other people's comments.

Now, only because it's the old dudes that bought the company back doesn't mean that they will go "See? We were right! Let's not change a thing!" and do the same mistakes they did before. And more. They most probably had to get some major credit from a bank which means that the bank will have this or other power of decision, independently of what they would like to do. I simply don't believe that the current Pulsar/SFP system has a future. Creamware didn't have enough human resources for this ambitious project with its own OS etc. Now that they have to fire people and outsource work, they will have to stick to less ambitious projects.

That's my opinion. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps not.

Why are you still speculating? Better yet, why are you speculating in a negative way?

That period is over. The facts were laid out, and this thread is for suggestions on how to move forward, not negative drivel on why you think that this might not work.

If you have something constructive to offer, let's hear it. Otherwise don't clog this thread with crap.

CW was around for almost a decade prior to the insolvency. That speaks for itself. If people here think that insolvency after a recession and a post 9-11 transient instability is abnormal, then some research on the Internet is warranted. Many companies went through this. Here CW has reinvented itself, and even 1 week into the announcement you are going to poo poo what most everyone hailed as a good thing? Sheesh.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:44 am

I think people posting ideas, should perhaps put themselves into CWA place, so their ideas can make sense in a "practical" way. There are many interesting ideas, but they are totally out of scope, because the company would not be able to spend time on them.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:46 am

On 2004-02-03 11:44, Nestor wrote:
I think people posting ideas, should perhaps put themselves into CWA place, so their ideas can make sense in a "practical" way. There are many interesting ideas, but they are totally out of scope, because the company would not be able to spend time on them.

Just read Nestor's post, and I can't agree more. Practical suggestions are worth more than "let's shoot for the stars" and "linux" kind of things.

sharcsound · Post by **sharcsound** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:55 am

Right. Enough with GonSoft negativity. The company that built our virtual studio is requesting that we, the loyal user base, help the company with some inventive ideas so it can grow.

Here's a request to update the GigaStudio driver to the new 2.0 one. The CreamWare reply to my email a couple of weeks ago was they have no concrete plans to support this standard. Haveing the 2.0 GSIF driver would make the CreamWare Virtual Studio card (Pulasr) of immediate interest to the large GigStudio user base (if they knew about it).

'GSIF 2.0 with Kernel Level MIDI and support for 8 channels of audio input and 32 channels of output. Any of the DSP Station's 128 channels can be made active to support input from an outside source; our revolutionary kernel-level audio engine is now available for incoming MIDI streams.' http://www.nemesysmusic.com/index.php

virtualstudio · Post by **virtualstudio** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:53 pm

you're right Immanuel !!

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thorkell · Post by **thorkell** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:27 pm

the GSIF 2 idea is good and valid. Don't forget Hans Zimmers comment in various interviews about how SFP and Gigastudio run smoothly together. I think updating drivers for the most popular applications as neccesary should be priority for CW. Lagging behind in audio drivers is suicidal!

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:12 pm

I wish that those Linux Gremlins would stop keep popping up in here...

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:20 pm

Hey - you don't look better by farting in GonZoft's direction. He actually has made some good contributions to the community. Also he may remember, what many others seam to have forgotten or simply be unavare of: Creamware have made a very strong product with a promissing future before and simply ditched it. It's name was TrippleDAT.

But please - GonZoft is expressing worries, while some of you are just throwing mud and being personal. Nomatter if we agree with GonZoft or not - we don't realy KNOW do we. We all guess - and our guesses are highly subjective.

Immanuel

sharcsound · Post by **sharcsound** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:04 pm

I was one of the first one’s to start using the Pulsar I card in December 1998. It was recommended to me by Wolfgang at The Music Shop in Munich. A couple of years later he installed Hans Zimmer’s Pulsar cards. I use my Pulsar II every day of the year and I never have a problem with it or GigaStudio. I play music or record music or edit music with and through Pulsar about 12 hours every day. How could I live without my CreamWare based studio.
http://www.blueminor-records.com/default.htm

It’s really yummy to dream of all the possibilities with the new and improved CreamWare products and new instruments that will come down the pipeline in the next couple of years. We all grasp what can be done now, and how much better for us it still can and will get in the future. But I think this should not be the prime focus of CreamWare Audio, to fulfill all our wishes as fast as they can. I believe they have to concentrate on selling hardware to new users. I’d like to see their user base grow by 20,000 this year and spiral upward every year. Musicians and studios around the world all use audio cards, but very few of them know about Pulsar cards from CreamWare Audio. If I can have a functioning music setup with Pulsar at the center, then so can others, pros and amateurs. Increased CreamWare product sales will mean more nice toys for us musicians, editors and studio owners.

ooo000ooo · Post by **ooo000ooo** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:23 pm

Again now: what's the problem with drivers ?

I supose it's a question we have all asked at some point.
But, given the situation now, really, why not?
Us OSX users would be so happy to keep using our expensive cards just for I/O.
SFP is a very nice concept, but it's expensive to mantain for the company. The impossibility to even use the hardware in mainstream environments (remember all the problems with 2000 and XP as well) erodes the user base and the credibility of the company.
Why not make a separate package for I/O modules?

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:47 pm

On 2004-02-03 14:20, Immanuel wrote:
Hey - you don't look better by farting in GonZoft's direction. He actually has made some good contributions to the community. Also he may remember, what many others seam to have forgotten or simply be unavare of: Creamware have made a very strong product with a promissing future before and simply ditched it. It's name was TrippleDAT.

But please - GonZoft is expressing worries, while some of you are just throwing mud and being personal. Nomatter if we agree with GonZoft or not - we don't realy KNOW do we. We all guess - and our guesses are highly subjective.

Immanuel

You misunderstand. It's not a question of throwing mud or being personal.

It's a question of how can we as the user base provide valuable information to Frank and company to move this forward.

Whining and complaining belongs in another thread, if at all. Speculating, after the facts were made public by Frank himself, seems to have a value of, hmmm, about zero.

No offense to anyone, but I just want posts to be productive and at the same time realistic, at least in this thread. That was the whole point, wasn't it?

virtualstudio · Post by **virtualstudio** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:27 pm

I'm very positive for the future of CW....
and even if I was not, the product they made so far ROCKS!!!!
today I picked up my sixth CW-board

now I have to build this new DAW soon
If only I was so productive as the people at CW.........

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:46 pm

"Maybe you should try actually reading Franks's announcement before posting nonsense."

"... you are going to poo poo what most everyone hailed as a good thing? Sheesh."

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Those lines do (in my mind) contain "unneded" parts for the discussion. I think it is fine, that so many people are happy. But we are speculating in happiness - and bitching about GonZoft being worried.

I think GonZofts posts kind of calls for a reply from Frank stating: "We will continue expanding the SFP platform". If such a reply does not arive ... well, everybody are free to make their own speculations. It HAS happened before - therefor it is relevant. And as said. GonZoft has not always just been bitching. He has taken part in the constructive debate in this community. My guess is, that he just had enough of "primadonna" hardware (I hope the meaning counts in English - it means very demanding, and awarding ONLY, if you obey those demands).

There are a lot of loose ends in the Creamware software history. Creamware would do good by showing, that they will chance that. I am very happy about my setup. But I accept and respect, that others have had bad experiences. Also, it took me 2 years and 3 motherboards to get my old Pulsar1 to work. It is not always easy, and people have (sometimes) had a good reason to feel abandoned.

Also, this thread is not "for giving suggestions" - it turned in that direction for some reason (probably the usual "I am a musician, now let me teach you how to run bussiness tendency") - long time before Frank asked for it.

And ... no healthy discussion can not cope with reasonably stated concern (the way, I (with my 4 years CW history) see GonZoft's posts).

Anyway, I will likely not go further off topic in this direction - this does not mean, that I ignore you respons, if you give one.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:00 pm

Hey, I'm happy with my current CreamWare setup!! Even if they *had* gone out of business entirely, I still would have had years and years of Pulsar enjoyment. So whatever they do won't be a bad thing, for they'd simply be making an awesome product even better.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:03 pm

Yeah, I would definitely not have ditched my 3 CW cards, if the company had went down (I know, it did, but Frank seams to know some positive nechromancing).

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:30 pm

Dude, first of all the first quote does not originate from me. And why can't you let him respond, are you the PlanetZ vigilante?

Second of all, to say that SFP has no future is rubbish. Hmmm, routing, sampling, synthesis, effects, mixing...nah, no future for any of that. Guess I better sell my three boards and all the plugs.

The truth is, it is the future, because it is ahead of its time.

To also say that CWA will make the same mistakes and more because they are the same people... come on. I don't think you believe that yourself. Do you know who makes up the staff today?

My company went through a reorg, has yours? CWA is leaner and meaner and to imply that they are just going to hit a brick wall is nonsense. Many companies go through insolvency, but few successfully come out of that state. Despite all our speculations here, the insolvency is no more.

And suggestions were requested, I guess that's why people started giving them. I think you, me, and everyone here has a vested interested in seeing the company be successful. Why can't we positively contribute to that?

Peace and love to all PlanetZeers, including yourself and Mr. Gonzoft.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:47 pm

this thread is not a this thread thats discussing how positive that creamware is reloaded. its discussing that creamware is reloaded, and ppl should be allowed to have opinions about it, be it positive OR negative. so, GonZofts contributions is just as "on-point" as the "halleluja, god exists" ones.

Me, for one, is happy they got back, but im VERY in the mood for finding out whats their plan. And there are just a few of the ones in this thread who knows what it is.

Be prepared for the worst, so you wont be dissapointed