Though not even my usual genre and not processed at all, I find it cool
as a first time showing I hope your comments, thanks
first time to the world
<a name="planetz-file"></a><a href="http://pwp.netcabo.pt/zezappa/do.mp3"><img src="/forums/images/listen_icon.gif" border="0" alt=" Song"> Song</a><BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: does it matter?<BR> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: SX/XTC+Halion+Bass<BR> copyright © YYYY zezappa<BR> _____________________________________<BR><BR> I finaly get the way to be heard, I think...
Though not even my usual genre and not processed at all, I find it cool
as a first time showing I hope your comments, thanks
Though not even my usual genre and not processed at all, I find it cool
as a first time showing I hope your comments, thanks
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Neil B
For me it was a worrying time when I uploaded my first track and waited for the comments to arrive. I'll bet that you feel the same way too. In fact it's a worrying time every time you upload a track !
I have to say that there are parts of this track that I like. There are certain sounds or patches that I like, but as a whole track, it didn't work for me. Perhaps it is the style/genre, or perhaps it is simply my taste and my opinons, or perhaps it is my nicotine withdrawal symptoms kicking in again
Using discordance to build tensions is great for atmospheric moods, but I think that in this track the discordance didn't compliment the tensions, but sounded at times, like a selection of "bum" notes.
It would be great to know in more detail what instruments, kit, samplers etc you used for this. For instance, the choirs sound slightly "GM" or as if they have been played through the Pulsar Sample Players. They cut off too soon for my liking, as if the polyphony has been used up. If that is the case increase the polyphony and add some reverb to the choirs to create a wash of sound that, in my opinion will hold the track together more. You can then lift the guitar lines in the mix. This would emphasise the staccato atmosphere of the guitar against the wash of the choir.
The string riff (mellotron like) around the 1:30 mark and in other places is beautiful - really beautiful. And the flute patch works well too.
Parts of the track remind me of Pink Floyd "Atom Heart Mother". Other sections have a hint of ELP in their "Trilogy" days.
There is also a strong hint of medieval and Bjorn Lynne in this track.
Yes, I like some of it very much and I'd definitely like to hear more.
I have to say that there are parts of this track that I like. There are certain sounds or patches that I like, but as a whole track, it didn't work for me. Perhaps it is the style/genre, or perhaps it is simply my taste and my opinons, or perhaps it is my nicotine withdrawal symptoms kicking in again
Using discordance to build tensions is great for atmospheric moods, but I think that in this track the discordance didn't compliment the tensions, but sounded at times, like a selection of "bum" notes.
It would be great to know in more detail what instruments, kit, samplers etc you used for this. For instance, the choirs sound slightly "GM" or as if they have been played through the Pulsar Sample Players. They cut off too soon for my liking, as if the polyphony has been used up. If that is the case increase the polyphony and add some reverb to the choirs to create a wash of sound that, in my opinion will hold the track together more. You can then lift the guitar lines in the mix. This would emphasise the staccato atmosphere of the guitar against the wash of the choir.
The string riff (mellotron like) around the 1:30 mark and in other places is beautiful - really beautiful. And the flute patch works well too.
Parts of the track remind me of Pink Floyd "Atom Heart Mother". Other sections have a hint of ELP in their "Trilogy" days.
There is also a strong hint of medieval and Bjorn Lynne in this track.
Yes, I like some of it very much and I'd definitely like to hear more.
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AudioIrony
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I enjoyed the guitar and string motif - really lovely and beautifully done.The flute sound was also complementary.
I would have to say that I would drop the choir sounds altogether and focus on the strength of the track which to me was the guitar and strings. Maybe a cello (or some other low string patch) in there to add some bottom end melody would be nice as well?
My ideas are probably a bit boring - but it was really the guitar and strings that made it for me. well done on that count.
cheers
I would have to say that I would drop the choir sounds altogether and focus on the strength of the track which to me was the guitar and strings. Maybe a cello (or some other low string patch) in there to add some bottom end melody would be nice as well?
My ideas are probably a bit boring - but it was really the guitar and strings that made it for me. well done on that count.
cheers
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And Charlie said: "I'm cool with that" and set fire to a posh hammer to make it official
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And Charlie said: "I'm cool with that" and set fire to a posh hammer to make it official
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first of all, Thank you very much!
You were "terribly" right NeilB, alias all from your both points I must agree with. I'd like to explain that I'm working (feeling too) completely alone, though sometimes my need of talking (t-w.) is such like to a psychologist visit but I also feel afraid of getting ridiculous. I'm not that young (44 now) and I begin with computers for less more than 3 years ago and since May last year I upgrade from initial PIII+SBlive to dedicated system+CW devices. And everything I've been learning here and sites around music and WSystem+net use, etc, have been keeping me lots of time to try/learn/understand.
About the song..., I think I choose it 'coz its an unusual one (even from others of mine) and, as many I'm making, it's from my learning attempts on composing midi files mainly with mouse in key editor. I play bass, I'm not keyboard player as I'd like to be (with all these fantastic softsynths...). So..., the song had began with the guitar (I use it often 'coz I can't play it) the organ (IK sampletank, free) and violin section (Giga advanced Orch.). The other samples (those I always use) are from Wizoo with Halion programs. I hate this kind of Choirs, strange I often use them, but I can't even try to sing, and good voices... that's what I always miss.
About Neil's spoken bands, I never intend to "imitate" them (and I was very far from those) but it's true that was the kind I began to listen in early 70's, like Van Der Graaf, Gentle Giant, Genesis, Procol Harum, King Crimson, Yes, Caravan, etc..., though I've listen too much music to influent me neither more than subconsciously.
a long pleasure, chears
You were "terribly" right NeilB, alias all from your both points I must agree with. I'd like to explain that I'm working (feeling too) completely alone, though sometimes my need of talking (t-w.) is such like to a psychologist visit but I also feel afraid of getting ridiculous. I'm not that young (44 now) and I begin with computers for less more than 3 years ago and since May last year I upgrade from initial PIII+SBlive to dedicated system+CW devices. And everything I've been learning here and sites around music and WSystem+net use, etc, have been keeping me lots of time to try/learn/understand.
About the song..., I think I choose it 'coz its an unusual one (even from others of mine) and, as many I'm making, it's from my learning attempts on composing midi files mainly with mouse in key editor. I play bass, I'm not keyboard player as I'd like to be (with all these fantastic softsynths...). So..., the song had began with the guitar (I use it often 'coz I can't play it) the organ (IK sampletank, free) and violin section (Giga advanced Orch.). The other samples (those I always use) are from Wizoo with Halion programs. I hate this kind of Choirs, strange I often use them, but I can't even try to sing, and good voices... that's what I always miss.
About Neil's spoken bands, I never intend to "imitate" them (and I was very far from those) but it's true that was the kind I began to listen in early 70's, like Van Der Graaf, Gentle Giant, Genesis, Procol Harum, King Crimson, Yes, Caravan, etc..., though I've listen too much music to influent me neither more than subconsciously.
a long pleasure, chears
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ChrisWerner
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Your explaination reminds me on my first attempts using a computer to make music.
I had the first version of a Soundblaster and a bunch of 8 bit samples. I used a multi tracker program and had to type in every note, its duration, vibrato all that over 8 voices.
Today we can draw notes in a comfortable program like you drawed your choir track.
I always like to hear musicans in their early stage, at the bottom of their learning curve that never ends.
I like your track, beside the choirs and I agree to Brett and Neil, send us more tracks.
cheers
I had the first version of a Soundblaster and a bunch of 8 bit samples. I used a multi tracker program and had to type in every note, its duration, vibrato all that over 8 voices.
Today we can draw notes in a comfortable program like you drawed your choir track.
I always like to hear musicans in their early stage, at the bottom of their learning curve that never ends.
I like your track, beside the choirs and I agree to Brett and Neil, send us more tracks.
cheers-
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this is kind of new for me. it kind of has harmonic structure.. and then breaks up. the way it breaks up is particularly interesting. It sort of breaks up in a musical sense. Sounds very modal.. perhaps it's when you change the modes. It has a very general "velocity" of going from a VI to a I+maj 7th.. but it's like so general, the transition is a buildup of enharmonic sounds. Analysis aside, it's a new idea for me! hehe. has hints of late romantic composition I think.
Anyhow, I really like this style. It really fits the general direction I feel like heading these few days. weak structure, weak "icons", just.. well, just like "sound", really.
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Anyhow, I really like this style. It really fits the general direction I feel like heading these few days. weak structure, weak "icons", just.. well, just like "sound", really.
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Neil B
Hey again Zezappa.
A couple of points to cheer you up:
1: You're never alone on Planet Z - there are too many great people here to offer constructive criticism and a pat on the back at the right time. Nobody here is patronising or egocentric (as far as I know) So what you get is what you ask for, whether it be advice, problem solving, comments about tracks or anything really.
Remember - you're never alone (spooky)
2: You mention that you've only had 3 years with the computers and you're now 44.
Well, Chris Werner said that he started with the original Soundblaster card.
I say I'm jealous of both of you. Oh to be 44 again. I started by stretching some Tyrannosaurus gut over a Brontosaurus bone and strumming it with a Pterodactyl feather - big instrument and heavy music.
You've got plenty of years on me.
3: Some people like a point of reference to other artists for comparison. I wasn't suggesting that consciously or otherwise that you were copying styles.
4: We've all struggled with this technology at some time or other too - relax, it finally makes sense when you reach 75 years old
5: I love the flexibility of the midi side of the software too. I'm happier with the midi side of things - it's the audio and mixing/mastering that I struggle with (ask Chris Werner or worse - wait for about 2 weeks for my next upload)
From my point of view, I look forward to hearing more of your music.
A couple of points to cheer you up:
1: You're never alone on Planet Z - there are too many great people here to offer constructive criticism and a pat on the back at the right time. Nobody here is patronising or egocentric (as far as I know
) So what you get is what you ask for, whether it be advice, problem solving, comments about tracks or anything really.Remember - you're never alone (spooky)
2: You mention that you've only had 3 years with the computers and you're now 44.
Well, Chris Werner said that he started with the original Soundblaster card.
I say I'm jealous of both of you. Oh to be 44 again. I started by stretching some Tyrannosaurus gut over a Brontosaurus bone and strumming it with a Pterodactyl feather - big instrument and heavy music.
You've got plenty of years on me.
3: Some people like a point of reference to other artists for comparison. I wasn't suggesting that consciously or otherwise that you were copying styles.
4: We've all struggled with this technology at some time or other too - relax, it finally makes sense when you reach 75 years old
5: I love the flexibility of the midi side of the software too. I'm happier with the midi side of things - it's the audio and mixing/mastering that I struggle with (ask Chris Werner or worse - wait for about 2 weeks for my next upload)
From my point of view, I look forward to hearing more of your music.