What is going on with DSPDev??

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:02 pm

Dear Pulsarians

Do any of you know where the DSPDEV web site is gone??? Are they out of bussines?

[ This Message was edited by: snoopy4ever on 2002-08-20 17:04 ]

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:06 pm

Weird, http://www.dspdev.com/ links to ebay!?

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 4:07 pm

Yeap..!.....

Extremely weird....

Sunshine · Post by **Sunshine** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 5:20 pm

Funny, same here...

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 7:15 pm

Forget DSPDev

just my 2 cents...

Who needs DSPDev?

j9k · Post by **j9k** » Tue Aug 20, 2002 8:02 pm

maybe he's trying to tell us something. like buy aother creamware card.

heduda · Post by **heduda** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:06 am

Dear pulsarians *smile*

DSPDEV has a new homepage!!

http://www.DADEV.com (digital audio development)

greetings
heduda

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:57 am

sweet

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:07 am

Actually, a better question is "what's going on with anyone associated with Pulsar/Scope?"

Just for grins, I went down the list of links on the PlanetZ site and this is what I found:

Audiowerks - seems related only to 3DAT unless I missed something

DeVice - dead link

DSPDEV - dead as indicated above

Early First - not dead but hasn't been updated in so long it might as well be

HoJoon - do not click on this link unless you like sticky web pages with bad advertisements

Moebius - dead (although I loved his early stuff in Heavy Metal and Metal Hurlant)

Michael Olsen - dead

Obsidian - dead

I gave up after this point.

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 9:12 am

http://internal.vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.u ... g_handling

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 10:31 am

The Scope Developement Kit hasn't seen a single major update for years...

I'm waiting for Creamware to make available their new atoms (Minimax)and antialiasing processes for the developers.

These guys, the developers, have made a tremendous work for the platform to be complete and attractive. I would like Creamware to let them use the new atoms they have build, for increasing the overall sonic qualities of the third parties plugins.

But, you know, business is business...Now that Creamware has practically completed the Scope soft, with practically all the technicals and musicals possibilities available in SFP itself, why would they feed someone wich could be a competitor?

Creamware, please upgrade the Scope Developement kit for the third parties!!!

Some of the best third parties are still alive, don't let them die, they've done A LOT for your platform in the past, when Creamware's plugins were toys!

I, customer, I love the ideas of fairness and loyalty, I know it's business but I would be very disapointed if you no more support the Scope Developement Kit.

And when I am disapointed by a company behaviour, I boycott this company.

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 10:38 am

Sorry Grok
But it seems you have tow different aproaches to third party developers.. you say "Who needs DSPDev" and later you claim for CW to support thier DP. We ALL need DSPDev and all third party developers, as you pointed out they have done good things for CW platform.

Snoopy

On 2002-08-20 20:15, Grok wrote:
Forget DSPDev

just my 2 cents...

Who needs DSPDev?

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:04 am

I wrote this about DSPDEV, coz I bought a device to him (multicomp) and saw that he is not a serious guy.

That's why I don't care about DSPDEV.

The only point I give to him is his marketing abilities, and the ability of overpricing his plugins. But he is not serious. The multicomp has never been fully debugged. It is a quasi unusable plugin, I don't use it anymore. DSPDEV was just good looks with high prices. And words that means nothing. This is my customer point of view.

The third parties that are still alive means more to me, they are real talented and serious guys!

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:14 am

That said.... I can understand your position.

snoopy

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:05 pm

but I do want to check out his new piano module... if it ever comes out that is... It'll be the first device of that sort of pulsar!

I'm also suprised to hear this about multicomp. Somehow, it's like stuck in my mastering chain and I still can't find anything to replace it. Actually, I like it very much. Maybe I've just become accustomed to it. And for me, ver1.6 cuts the cake but somehow, I don't dig 1.7. Wierd ain't it? It's just kind of funny to hear how something that's worked very well for me doesn't work at all for others. Ain't it a big world.

Oh yeah, one thing about DADEV that we shouldn't forget, though, is that they've made a set of their own atoms. That's something you don't see third party developers do. So if they, or mainly Nikko, gets really into it with the new dev kit, things might start happenin'.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2002-08-21 15:17 ]

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:44 pm

yeah, I've heard NO replies from Mr. DSPDEV re: any possible updates to his reverbs since before the latest Pulsar release.

I've had some issued with audio levels going through his devices in my setup - whether internal or external to the mixers.

I spent a good bit of cash on his reverbs with very little, if any support to date.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:18 am

On 2002-08-21 15:05, kensuguro wrote:
but I do want to check out his new piano module... if it ever comes out that is... It'll be the first device of that sort of pulsar!

I'm also suprised to hear this about multicomp. Somehow, it's like stuck in my mastering chain and I still can't find anything to replace it. Actually, I like it very much. Maybe I've just become accustomed to it. And for me, ver1.6 cuts the cake but somehow, I don't dig 1.7. Wierd ain't it? It's just kind of funny to hear how something that's worked very well for me doesn't work at all for others. Ain't it a big world.

Oh yeah, one thing about DADEV that we shouldn't forget, though, is that they've made a set of their own atoms. That's something you don't see third party developers do. So if they, or mainly Nikko, gets really into it with the new dev kit, things might start happenin'.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2002-08-21 15:17 ]

Hi Kensuguro!

Have you checked the DSPDev Multicomp bypass? I've done it and saw that it isn't a bypass, the signal is affected even in bypass mode! So how can we truly compare the original signal with the compressed one? This is one point.

Second point: the levels aren't calibrated in the presets. So we have to do it manually by ourselves. This is how we fall in the first point. It is not a professional tool behaviour...

Seems that these presets are just made for hobbyist ears. No offence to you! I admire you so much for your talent and musical abilities

If only I could know all that you know in sound and music!!!

It happens sometimes in my dreams...I admire you too for your cleverness and your cool posts...I stop congratulate you here

Third point: DSPDev/DADev claims that the Multicomp includes six V-Tubes. It is false.
Have you heard the six V-Tubes on the six individuals outputs? Why can't we hear them individually? It's because they doesn't exist. Multicomp contains only one stereo "little V-Tube" that has not the possibilities of the "big" one. I let you also appreciate all the commercial propaganda about the V-Tube: it is only an harmonic distortion that so much others plugins have. My opinion is that the Creamware's tubedrive distortions sounds better.

Fourth point: DSPDev made the Multicomp looks like a hardware compressor, wich is commercially clever but stupid for using it fully: using the mouse on the rotatives buttons is shitty (apologizes for my english, I don't know very much words) for selecting frequencies with our ears.
With a real hardware compressor, the same rotative buttons method would be the best. Conclusion: Multicomp looks like a hardware professional compressor, but is absolutely not. Why this bad ergonomy? DSPDev has choosed the look against the ergonomy, for commercial reasons...
That's why I stopped using it, even if it has cost me good money. I prefer to use the Samplitude's native multicomp wich have a professional ergonomy dedicated to efficacity, quickness and easy use.

Fifth point: look at the DSPDev/DADev site with a critical mind. See how this site is clever in a marketing point of view. See how it suggests insidiously to the people that they will have a Lexicon PCM81 for just x percent of its price.
See how cleverly it suggests you that YOU and your ears only will decide that these plugins are awesome. Yes, this guy knows marketing!!

)

I falled ("felt"?) in the trap one time, but not two lol

And a very last thing: it is very easy to make a multicomp by yourself: just take the free Celmo crossover http://www.celmo.com and divide the signal in few frequencies bands. Then, compress individually each frequency band as you need it. It will cost you no money but just some work.
Do this with the Vinco: you have now a high end multicomp! Maybe with not too much ergonomy, but there are workarounds (intensive saving of all the included parameters: when you've done it, it's done and re-usable)

Maybe a multicomp is easily feasible with the Modular2 ? Haven't tried it yet, don't know if I'll have the time...

Thank you all!

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:47 am

hehehe!

good point. You gave me too much candy!

You really pointed out a few of the downsides of the device. Things that I sometimes stumble on. As for the bypass problem, I've even gone as far as A/B switching with a multicomp channel and an original channel on a mixer. It's true the levels get mangled with the bypass button on the multicomp.
And the 6 Vtube thing? Heck, I didn't even know that multicomp was claimed to have 6 vtubes.. I knew, from the results I was hearing, that it had 1 in the chain, and that was it. I still use it sometimes to brush up hi hat sounds though.
But all in all, yeah, multicomp does have a nag in the sound that sort of puts it apart from crystal clear professional gear. Which is, probably why I like it. It's tough to work with, and makes it a challenge, like a game. Kind of different with Vinco where everything is such a piece of cake! (I just got vinco)

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 11:31 am

I wouldn't suggest anyone to buy any DSPdev devices (or whatever they are called now) without first giving a good listen to other devices on the platform... don't even "look" at them, as the DSPdev devices, at first look very nice (it seems big money went into the graphics for the reverb...)

Finally what has really turned me off more than anything is the attitude this developer shows us on Pulsar-scope, and, at one point, here on the Z. Even developers releasing only/mostly free devices paid for their SCOPE/DP...

I think this link is also useful http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 1&forum=11

[ This Message was edited by: subhuman on 2002-08-22 12:31 ]

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 12:38 pm

All this information open my eyes to a more carefull testing or consideration of any device. I remember the other day I wanted to test the DSPDEV reverb so I downloaded the mp3 demos and they seemed a joke to me

.

But maybe something positive can came out of this... Maybe if this guy Nikko see all these complains he might change his way and his PROGRAM DESIGN and finally have satisfied customers.

I hope.

Snoopy

[ This Message was edited by: snoopy4ever on 2002-08-22 13:39 ]