Microsoft NAMM Windows 10 Video

[Mr Arkadin]

push what boundary exactly?

Not musical ones that's for sure.

[garyb]

Just stick with analog if you have the ke$h. No delays. In digital domain, there will always be some delays...

-Tom

no, analog has delays too, especially when there's lots of cabling involved.

[braincell]

push what boundary exactly?

For me me when I start putting multiple Waves inserts on every track and use multiple synthesizers including VSL Ensemble. At some point I end up having to raise the latency to avoid problems. That's fine but if I want to add some piano, playing with latency is not acceptable. I end up having to turn the effects off and convert midi tracks to audio, not a huge problem but I prefer not to have to do that.

[garyb]

well, it's all good. if win10 helps, that's great!

[tlaskows]

I guess we're out of luck then, because sound waves have delay too. That's why they use DELAYS at concerts to compensate for the speed of sound...



-Tom

[braincell]

well, it's all good. if win10 helps, that's great!

They have to engineer the software it for Windows 10. Steinberg has not done this yet but they will get to it. Probably it will be an upgrade feature. I always upgrade anyway.

[Nestor]

The proactive way of Brain towards Windows 10, I think, it makes sense.

We have always resisted change. It is in human nature to resist change when we are comfortable with what we already have.

I remember resisting myself to change from 16 bits to 24 bits, then resisting to go from 24 to 32 bit float. Now, it is curious, but I would not work with 16 or 24 bits, because it is definitely much better and suitable to work in a none destructive format like 32 bit float, particularly while mixing and applying many FXs. There are engineers that will fight me back explaining mathematically that using 32 bits is a waste of space in your HDD. Well, I disagree today with them, even with their mathematical proves that it is not worth the effort, because I have my own experience and background to defend with strength this point. Nevertheless, I had to pay the time and effort to find out this things for myself.

I think Brain is taking the step we are not taking, and in some time, we will probably be saying, “hey everybody, it is time to go to Win 10”, it is better because of this and that... It is always the same. Don’t you remember?

Well, you see, I have been with XP for ages… and it was really good to stay put and quiet, I could forget about systems and hardware concentrating in music, and only in music, and it was great! Of course, there is also the economic side of things, to which I tend to resist too, I don’t like to be spending so much money in new PC stuff. Today, more than ever before, I realize as a final and mature thought, it is A FACT rather than a point of view, that: more instruments, more gear, more plugins, a new OS, bigger and bigger PC specifications, do not end u necessarily in more and better music. If you want more and better music, you have to work hard in the realm of music, and not that much in technology. Of course, we all base ourselves in technology, we all know that, but there is a common sense behind it, you understand me, a measure in which there must be a balance between “gear and systems” versus “creativity, time, inspiration and hard work in music itself, without excuses”.

There is a vice already spread among us, in which we all are infected (so to say), with the disease of eagerly willing to get everything new, as being foremost vital solution to the arts of composing, arranging, mixing an mastering. Well…, we all know, by observation and a simple reality check around you, that this is not true. You need certain quality things to work, but you don’t need 25 of the best EQs, the latest and most expensive 25 compressors and so forth. You need, probably, about 3 or 4 very good plugins of each most important plugins, a few reverbs, to cover all areas and needs, but, that’s it. Now, it is time to get to your instrument and play.

In the other hand, like being in the opposite side, there is this resistance to change I was talking about. Neither extremes are good for us. I will try to be in the middle of these two worlds, at least, I’ll try, so neither too much system oriented or too much resistance oriented.

Brain has a point, we do not have to resist his change, and he is doing well. We should give Windows 10 a try, why not?

[tlaskows]

I am trying it now on my laptop. It doesn't really support 7, so I had no choice.

But I will wait until it's stable like win 7 now when I use it for work.

-Tom

[Mr Arkadin]

I don't think anyone in this thread is guilty of 'resisting change', it's just a case of going with what is stable NOW. W10 is a month old, not the best basis for a working set-up. I work in multi-million pound broadcast companies with thousands of computers running television broadcast operations. Do you think they've updated (I won't use the word upgrade) to W10? Not on your life. They have a working system and do not wish to fall off the air.

In the same way any pro will not change their system the day before a big session with a band (a common scenario given by presumably bedroom users trying to make themselves seem important because they fucked up their system).

If you're totally native then W10 might not be such a big move (nothing braincell has written of late suggests he's still using Scope), but I tried 'not resisting' by getting the latest motherboard (X99) and it didn't work, ended up with the older but stable Z97. Newer is not always better which is why I refuse to use the word upgrade, which implies an upward movement towards something better. W8 was not an improvement on W7 to me, just looked like a giant smartphone: how is a bad GUI an improvement?

As you say it should be about music, not boasting rights. Pushing musical boundaries is not about using 100 instances of Waves plug-ins with no glitches. That proves nothing.

[Nestor]

Cool, you made my day... You are right.

I only give Brain and myself the chance of trying something new, and this is not bad. I would not start by windows 10, exactly as you say, because I have to work, but I will be aware of what is going on, just in case it is of use to me.

[dawman]

10 is the best of 7 and 8.
But 8.1 is the best of 7 and 8 and works like a charm.
But I support all who want to work out the problems.
So by all means get Windows 10.......

[dante]

Steinberg will be dead on my system. The only feature it covers that Reason hasn't quite nailed yet is VariAudio. As soon as the props kick that one over, Suckbase is out completely.

The reduction of DPC spikes is probably a good thing, but DPC doesn't seem to affect my 80 tracks at 96KHz / 1MS Latency so don't see a need to upgrade from W8 to W10.

That's not to say I wont do the upgrade for the hell of it, but cant see it giving me any audio boost when I can already do whatever I want mix wise.

[frokka]

My system is already optimal with as many tracks / devices as I want at 1ms Scope latency, 96KHz.

Dante, is both your 3xPCI setup and your XITE at 1ms latency?

[tlaskows]

My cards do work at 1ms 96k, but I get some dropouts when multitasking and Diva eats a lot of cpu

-Tom

[braincell]

Cool, you made my day... You are right.

I only give Brain and myself the chance of trying something new, and this is not bad. I would not start by windows 10, exactly as you say, because I have to work, but I will be aware of what is going on, just in case it is of use to me.

Like any new installation, it takes some tweaking to get it the way you want it. I'm finding people on the net who just want to hate Windows 10 right away. For instance, they don't like the default start menu tiles (they are spammy spyware) but you can so easily right click on them to remove them. This helped me discover that I can put my own tiles there. Mostly I just use icons on the desktop and toolbars. You would expect in a free OS for there to be some things you have to remove but it is a minimum compared to what comes in a typical store bought computer or phone.

[garyb]

it IS what you would get in a typical store bought computer or phone.
there's nothing wrong with playing with the computer...

[tlaskows]

Windows 7 should have been a service pack for the Vista disaster. And I see Windows 10 as a service pack for 8.1...

-Tom