Microsoft NAMM Windows 10 Video

[braincell]

Well this is interesting. Windows 10 is the way to go for audio. Looks like Apple is just a waste of money now.


https://www.namm.org/video/148

[Nestor]

Wow, that's important to us! I'll watch it all and see what's going on...

[dante]

My system is already optimal with as many tracks / devices as I want at 1ms Scope latency, 96KHz.

Not sure how Windows 10 could improve on that.

[Nestor]

wOW! I'm still in 13... he he...

[stonberg]

There are quite the number of reasons why I am not touching 10 with a bargepole.

Most of them are nicely covered by ElReg, I may as well C&P my Presonus forums post on the matter (hey, I'm lazy, right?)

"My 2p on W10:

Not touching it with a bargepole.

Main reasons:

o Cortana
o No user control over updates (W10 already push-pull fighting with nVidia's Experience over gfx driver updates, borking systems: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28 ... _conflict/)
o I've not yet gotten my 10 years use out of W7 yet, which I paid full whack for.
o Cortana
o Horrible UI, and I don't want to pay Stardock for a Start Menu (nothing wrong with Stardock or their software, just that M$ should be supplying this as a component of the OS)
o Cortana

Plenty more tales of horror to be found here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/Tag/windows%2010

Thing is, M$ have been making a good operating system for quite some time now (Vista being the exception to this rule ofc), but the UI and tools built on top of it have been deteriorating. I don't need my computer to be a friend or an assistant (Cortana), I need it to be a tool."

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This one popped up yesterday:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/06 ... s_cesspit/

Love the description: "...a clumsy 3GB keylogger"

I wish M$ would stop trying to chase Google's tail and get off this ridiculous cloud-based big data bandwagon already.

[jksuperstar]

Strange, in the video, there IS a start menu plain as day. And he explicitly talks about Cortana, and a bulk of other features, that can be disabled for power users like media creation and gaming. To paraphrase the presentation "So you the user can get these things out of your way, and get on with doing what you need to..like creating music".

Did you expect the default boot up of an install to simply work for grandma all the way up through servers? In turning a computer into a dedicated audio machine, you must have some effort. Or, wait for someone to write a script for you.

[braincell]

Did you expect the default boot up of an install to simply work for grandma all the way up through servers? In turning a computer into a dedicated audio machine, you must have some effort. Or, wait for someone to write a script for you.

I know, I know. I always forget tweaks at first.

[Nestor]

yeah... hard work is always the way...

[braincell]

About updates, you can disconnect your computer from the internet, then you will get no updates or I am sure there is a registry hack. I always get updates and they have never been a problem that I can remember.

[ronnie]

Cakewalk posted this summary of Windows 10 audio enhancements:
WINDOWS 10 ENHANCEMENTS FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION

[dante]

Heres the interesting bit :

"Applications like SONAR that use kernel streaming or ASIO already communicate at a lower level that bypasses the Windows audio engine, so in theory the lower latency advancements in Windows 10 will not allow for lower latencies than previous versions unless you were using the Windows audio engine.

However, I asked Microsoft if there had been any changes to the Windows kernel (the lowest level in the audio stack, which can make or break low latency audio processing) that affect audio processing and received this response:
“Yes. There have been changes in the multimedia scheduler service and kernel components to minimize DPC spikes (particularly when in lowlatency mode).”

Like I said, Im already running at optimum audio efficiency so have no need to rush to Win 10, but its good news in general especially when throwing in improved MIDI timing

[Nestor]

So Dante, what would you be doing at my place, if you were building up a new DAW from scratch, 10 or 7?

[jksuperstar]

Get windows 7!! Then take a free upgrade to windows 10 anytime you want in the next year

[Mr Arkadin]

So Dante, what would you be doing at my place, if you were building up a new DAW from scratch, 10 or 7?

Don't know about dante, but I had a new computer built this year and opted for Windows 7 (hate the look of 8 and 10 is just too new). I moderate over at Line 6 and the number of new members since 10 was released is ridiculous, all with problems since upgrading. Of course it's all Line 6's fault, not their lemming-like behaviour of just hitting the update button with no research.

Here was my final spec:

Intel Core i7 4790K processor overclocked to 4.2GHz
Asus Z97-PRO Motherboard
16GB Corsair 2400MHz DDR3 memory (2 x 8GB)
Chillblast NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Graphics Card
2x 500GB Samsung 850 EVO Solid State Drive (One for Kontakt and sample libraries, one for BFD3 libraries)
2x 1000GB 7200RPM Hard Disk - 6Gbps
BeQuiet 750W Dark Power Pro Cable Managed PSU
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

[Nestor]

Wow, thank's Mr Arkadin, your answer comes in the right time for me because your systems is almost the same as mine will be soon, except for the HHDs, I have a few more of them for multimedia storage needs.

All this conclusions makes sense. I will go with Win 7, as suggested too by the rest of the troop, but 64 bits.

[Mr Arkadin]

As a P.S. I also intend using it for video work and it's a higher spec than most of the pro kit I use in my day to day broadcast work. Also I tried three X99 motherboards and none would work with XITE-1 in their current state.

[braincell]

I upgraded two computers from Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 with no problem. I've been using Cubase on both computers. Wavelab only loads on one, the faster one.

There is a rollback feature in Windows 10 so if you don't like it, you can go back to your previous OS (provided you had enough space for it to save it on your C: drive). It would be a good idea to backup first using the built in imaging software in Windows 7, it's included in Windows 8 and 8.1 also but hidden.


I love Windows 10. Will never go back.

[Nestor]

Wow, I am back and foward all the time Please Brain, comment on Win 10, if you have the time and wold like to, it would be cool to see what's the difference deep down. Cheers

[tlaskows]

I wouldn't recommend Windows 10. I just bought a notebook with a free Win 10 upgrade and went for it. Only because I don't like 8.1.

It does not boot any faster than my desktop with Win 7! I have a pretty old SSD on the desktop and it boots in just few seconds. This notebook (well, it's not the fastest because it's an Asus Zenbook) has that m.2 sata thingy so it should be faster. But in fact, it is slower by the time it gets to the desktop. It's good enough for browsing, youtube, ebay, forums, email, etc. But for Scope, I am sticking with 7. Oh, by the way, it already crashed on me once and this is a brand new notebook. Windows 7 never crashes.

just my 0.02 CAD$

-Tom

[Nestor]

Well, when I wonder about which windows to use, if 10 instate of 7, etc., the last priority that could bother me, is the boot-up speed. I think people make a big deal out of it, but it is not that important. I honestly don’t mind about these little things.

If the components of a given PC are good enough, well configured and properly compatible, you should run at a decent speed, independently of Win 7, 8 or 10 anyway.

What I am seriously concerned about is STABILITY first and foremost, then POWER, then PRODUCTIVITY. These are the parameters that I am concerned about. So when I think about windows 7 or 10 or whatever, what I want to be sure is that it will be a serious, none intrusive OS that will support my work. For instance, let say that win 8.1 was better for audio for whatever reason, well, even if I dislike totally it’s interface and way of working, I mean (I’m sure nevertheless it must be very configurable, but that means time and work), I would adopt it and scarify my likings to get a very stable and productive system. This is really my concern, I need a serious device to work with, I will have fun, but it is for serious work really. That explains why I ask so many questions, and I thank you guys for your patience, as always