SCOPE 5.1

[Bifop]

Thanks Micha, but I'd already tried that of course. Hum, Greg are you sure of what you're talking about... ?
Are you conscious that this solution would calm down lots of moaning about those 64 bit drivers long wait ?

Well.

[babaorum]

maybe right click setup.exe -> properties -> compatibility tab -> Run this program in compatibilty mode for windows XP (SP3) ?

No because the compatibility mode is for the softwares that can be run in a 64 bits environment but the drivers can't ...

[kylie]

why don't you guys just accept that it won't work?

[Bifop]

Yeah, I usually don't bite on hoaxes, but Greg has been so convincing on his "32 bit scope on a 64 bit system" install story that I got thinking It could be right.
And it was matching my agenda perfectly.

At any rate, no news from developpers, false information spread across the board, an army of fanboys voiding any freedom of speech on the matter... Time to go on vacation from this forum.

I'll be back when/if they ever release 64 bits drivers and OSX version.
I'm buying something else anyway.

Happy summer to all,
Make music, love and enjoy the beauty of what's left from Mother Earth (while it last).
Peace,
Bifop

[siriusbliss]

Again, I'm not lying, so please stop the subtle accusations and 'fanboy' finger-pointing.

I said I got it to work by installing it on 32-bit partition, while installing and running the other host apps., etc. on the 64-bit side (using W7 Ultimate).
This would obviously confirm that the drivers are still 32-bit.

And like I also said - IMO I'm not sure what SC's plans are for Scope going fully 64, but as long as the 64-bit drivers eventually come, then I will be ready to switch over.

Meanwhile current Scope 5.2617 runs great here, and music is still getting done.

So yeah, peace, love, and enjoy the Summer everyone. I know I am, down here at the beach.

Greg

[babaorum]

I said I got it to work by installing it on 32-bit partition, while installing and running the other host apps., etc. on the 64-bit side (using W7 Ultimate).
This would obviously confirm that the drivers are still 32-bit.

I have exactly the same config (win7 home premium) with dual boot one 32 and one 64, yet only the 32bits boot have the scope and it works fine in2617 version.

And like I also said - IMO I'm not sure what SC's plans are for Scope going fully 64, but as long as the 64-bit drivers eventually come, then I will be ready to switch over.

the most important thing is that we could have scope into a 64 bits config and the sequencer can use huge RAM ! if the software is in 32 that's not very bad, but the drivers yes - obviously !

Meanwhile current Scope 5.2617 runs great here, and music is still getting done.

same here

baba

[maky325]

Again, I'm not lying, so please stop the subtle accusations and 'fanboy' finger-pointing.

I said I got it to work by installing it on 32-bit partition, while installing and running the other host apps., etc. on the 64-bit side (using W7 Ultimate).
This would obviously confirm that the drivers are still 32-bit.

I don't get it?? I am trying to follow steps and to understand but i can't My usual stupid moment. But here i am ready to learn. Didn't you just said on page 7 "...and have you yet tried running Scope in W7 64-bit? It's working here" - It is sounding like you are saying that Scope in W7 64bit is working for you.

What is 32bit partition btw? (i am asking about quoted reply) - I only know for partition. If you speak about dual boot then i can understand. So you have 32 bit win7 which are installed in one partition (with working scope 5) and you have one with 64 bit win7 installed on another partition but since scope can't work on 64 bit i don't get it? How can you merge and work with 32bit installed OS in 64 bit working OS?

[babaorum]

I said I got it to work by installing it on 32-bit partition, while installing and running the other host apps., etc. on the 64-bit side (using W7 Ultimate).
This would obviously confirm that the drivers are still 32-bit.

[t_tangent]

hi mpodrug,

If you set up Windows 7 Ultimate (also Win 7 Professional but not sure about the other version of Win 7) with a dual boot Win 7 32bit and Win 7 64 bit, you can still see the other partition in Windows Explorer whichever one you boot into. It just shows up as a different drive letter. For example if booting into Win 32 then C:\Win32, D:\Win64, or if booting into Win 64 then C:\Win64, D:\Win32

I may be incorrect but am assuming that what Sirius did, as he states in the post above, was boot up into Windows 32bit and install Scope drivers into that drive and then continue to install the rest of Scope to the 64bit drive, but whether he then runs Scope after booting into the Win32 or Win64 partition I dont know. Presumably he would have to boot into Win32 as the drivers would have been set that way but I havent tried it yet so cant confirm. Anyway, just my own supposition

[maky325]

hi mpodrug,

If you set up Windows 7 Ultimate (also Win 7 Professional but not sure about the other version of Win 7) with a dual boot Win 7 32bit and Win 7 64 bit, you can still see the other partition in Windows Explorer whichever one you boot into. It just shows up as a different drive letter. For example if booting into Win 32 then C:\Win32, D:\Win64, or if booting into Win 64 then C:\Win64, D:\Win32

I may be incorrect but am assuming that what Sirius did, as he states in the post above, was boot up into Windows 32bit and install Scope drivers into that drive and then continue to install the rest of Scope to the 64bit drive, but whether he then runs Scope after booting into the Win32 or Win64 partition I dont know. Presumably he would have to boot into Win32 as the drivers would have been set that way but I havent tried it yet so cant confirm. Anyway, just my own supposition

Yes i am perfectly aware of that option. I know that i can see other partition. But once when you boot inside 64 bit os i know that you CAN see scope folder which is installed on partition with 32 bit OS installed but you CAN NOT use it. I mean you can if you have 64bit driver installed on 64 bit system - Booting on 64 bit os and running 64 bit OS demand 64 bit driver. That's why i asked how he got it running? I was thinking that i am missing something you guys know but i guess he just said it in the wrong way.

So verdict is that you can not use Scope in 64bit until official driver is available?

[kwild]

Well guys i know it's summer and sometimes hot make some jokes to the brain,but you CAN NOT use Scope on a x64 OS
whatever you try and whatever you think,definitely!
Please stop sharing false informations.

Thanx.

[astroman]

Greg isn't the type to kid and fooling around - and he doesn't claim anything.
He just reported that on his system certain circumstances seemed to make it work even in the 'wrong' environment.
This may be more than strange, but 'strangeness' isn't totally uncommon to Scope...
For years there was the fact that demo devices were impossible to run under MacOS9.
Published by Creamware themselves on their website.
Until someone 'just did it' and the demos indeed ran - again for whatever reason made it work...
Noone of us knows what the 'driver' part of Scope really is about.
The only thing one can (safely) assume is that it's for Windoze multimedia.
But that's not exactly our biggest concern, isn't it ?
We're usually more on the ASIO side of things... go figure...

Then we all know that Windoze is a complete moron by telling you what's supposed to be running and what's not.
How often have you seen a device appearantly running, then Windoze asked for a 'driver-dunnowhat' and promptly removed the previously operational item if you didn't provide the file.

cheers, Tom

[Mr Arkadin]

Do SC a favor and dont claim knowledge you dont have and never had.

Pity you don't apply this rule to your own posts.

[siriusbliss]

Come on guys....geez, sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with a bunch of children.

I said that I simply TRIED installing Scope on a 32-bit partition on a W7 Ultimate 64-bit system that I've otherwise been running 64-bit apps., and eureka it worked. I didn't do any workarounds or funny stuff. I just installed it and it ran. That's all I know.

I guess I should've been clearer about this, since some of you guys prematurely ran with 'Scope running on 64-bit' euphoria.

So, why not just get some music done (like we've all successfully been able to do for the past 10 years ), and let SC finish up the 64-bit driver?

Greg

[dawman]

I was forced to record in that God For Saken 32bit enviroment today, and it's such a drag when everything really old like Lexicon 480L's and Neve Mic Pre's. Chandler Limiters, old 32bit Mac/ProTools HDD 192 racks and then that useless 32bit XP DAW w/ an XITE-1.
We just could have so much more fun if we had 64bit to keep trying to get working, instead of stable 32bit DAW's with all of this old worthless hardware.
Just look at that old out of date SSL4000.

In spite of the million dollar studio we use here, its nice to know for synths and the unattainable reverse looping Delay from Modular IV, the XITE-1 still gets the phone call.
S|C will also get credits on the CD's release, that was part of my deal.
I so wanted to steal the rack of HDD192's, API Comps, and the lovely and war torn Lexicon 480L.

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[dante]

Would 'reverse looping Delay' work on vanilla Modular 2 ( no flexor ) ?

[dawman]

Negative.
We have the Tape Delay in Modular IV. It cannot be used in a patch and needs fixing, but it works fine a small FX patch, and thanks to Assafs' classes and infinite wisdom, I can play solos in reverse like Hendrix recordings. You have to use good subdivision and lead off w/ a 100% wet mix and play a quarter note ahead of yourself.
I use to use the Oberheim Echo Plex Pro, a Line 6 Echo Pro and a PCM42 to do this.
The Modular IV Tape Delay has no artifacts when twisting the knobs, and using envelopes and other tricks. It is an effect I cannot find anywhere and one I have begged for since 2005 when I joined here. Someone listened.
You can get a similar effect by sequencing or looping and hitting buttons.
But this a live Improvising tool. Between the Tape Delay and the Unison/Retriggering/Legato MVC C. Those 2 modules are a great reason to get Modular IV.
But, it is still buggy and cannot be in a big Modular patch.
I sure hope this gets fixed......and soon too.!!

[maky325]

Come on guys....geez, sometimes I feel like I'm dealing with a bunch of children.

I said that I simply TRIED installing Scope on a 32-bit partition on a W7 Ultimate 64-bit system that I've otherwise been running 64-bit apps., and eureka it worked. I didn't do any workarounds or funny stuff. I just installed it and it ran. That's all I know.


Greg

Well i am not child i just want to run Scope at 64 bit. So i was in belief that i missed something. IMO what you say above is impossible. Because if you are on 64bit os, you can install Scope on whatever partition you like 32 or 64 bit really it does not matter but you WILL need 64 bit driver to work with that. That is why i asked how did you do it? And if that worked for you why no one else can't do it? I mean i am not trying to prove anything. I am not seeing you as cheater or something. Really really that is not my intention. I am just trying to get scope at 64 bit OS.

So far i know that it is absolutely impossible to work with device on 64 bit OS without 64 bit driver. No matter where you install it.
If you managed to run it then can you run it again?

It's not that i don't believe you. I've seen various weird things happening inside computers. It's just that this seems impossible to do for everyone yet if someone manage to do it i am really interested how?

[kwild]

I said that I simply TRIED installing Scope on a 32-bit partition on a W7 Ultimate 64-bit system that I've otherwise been running 64-bit apps., and eureka it worked. I didn't do any workarounds or funny stuff. I just installed it and it ran. That's all I know.

LOL!

Man "a 32 Bit partition on a W7 Ultimate 64BIT SYSTEM" means absolutely nothing!
If you have a dual boot system with 32 bit and 64 bit OS and you install Scope on the 32 Bit OS,why you are so surprised that Scope worx?
I will be surpised if don't!
Do you know that water is wet?

[johndunn]

You DO realize that as soon as you sell the Xite, the 64-bit drivers will arrive. :)

That's how it usually works out.

...and have you yet tried running Scope in W7 64-bit? It's working here. :D

Greg

This is the post that started this "works in 64-bit" sub thread. Weasel words started after a few of us took the bait and tried to install it, and reported failure. Not to put too fine a point on it, the asshole lied. I don't know why someone who has been on this forum so long would, but clearly he did.