Sampler Apps On Their Deathbeds?

[braincell]

Yes I have tested it haven't you? I normally use the S/PDIF. You can tell the difference between that and the analog outs right away. It's not the kind of thing you need to do a scientific study of. It is *so* f&cking obvious.

It still blows away the analog connectors on a standard SC card.

What's your basis for saying this?? Have you done tests with your hardware that give you that specific result or impression? If not, why make such a statement? I'm not following your train of thought at all here. Maybe you can show us some tests you did or read about somewhere?

[Shroomz~>]

Braincell, If you've noticed a quality difference between your SPDIF & analogue I/Os, that doesn't equate to anywhere near the same thing as saying that firewire is better than a Scope card's analogue I/Os, since obviously it would depend on the specific AD/DA firewire interface you're using. Comparing these things as you've done without giving the specifics of the firewire interfaces you're talking about (not to mention some first hand experience in testing some) is just plain wrong imo.

[braincell]

Obviously. The converter inside the card isn't so good.

[valis]

Obviously. The converter inside the card isn't so good.

I don't find that to be the case at all. The "Classic" rca-based card I have has the 18bit/20bit ad/da issue from the v1 legacy cards, and is -10dBv so I don't use it for anything important (send/return), but the XLR i/o on my Pulsar2 sounds considerably punchier than my 2nd gen RME Multiface. The Multiface is a bit 'clearer' into reverb/delay trails and the like but I can tell the transient response on the Scope card is a bit sharper/faster though I don't have the equipment to measure whether that's due to increased slew response or better caps.

What are you comparing the card to?

[dawman]

Meanwhile Back @ The Ranch.......

Giga content is going like Hot Cakes on ebay. There's a chap w/ several high quality VSL libraries that downloads them on an external 100GB USB 2.0 HDD, and is selling them for 160 USD. He has sold several copies of his content to recuperate his 2000 USD investment.

I already have this content and it is excellent, and very cheap. Quite a scam actually as who can sue him...................Giga, VSL...............NOT.

It shows up every 2 weeks as I have tracked him, I should tell him to send me a free copy or I will expose him as a scam artist. TYhen I can resell it as well.

I bet I could get about 5 or 6 200GB versions and pack 'em with my collection of horns guitars and strings. But starting bid will be 250 USD.

Nice way to pay for new Scope plugs.

[valis]

I actually only referred to the noise floor that is higher by the influences in a computer case than in a shielded case for DSP only.

But I guess you were more asking brain

Yea my question was aimed at braincell. In my experience any noise issues are going to be particular to each installation, which means due to other system components which are outside of SC's control. Either that or the cabling connected to the card (either the loom or cables extended off of it) are running near items of intereference.

Personally I've had no noisefloor problems with any of the machines that have housed my cards, and they've been in cramped 'normal' tower cases (which I consider small) and my current install is in a tower case with 2 Xeon cpu's, multiple 10krpm scsi drives and plenty of other peripherals. My Pulsar2/XLR has better than 90db noisefloor when not connected to my board (self-noise) and when connected the noisefloor is that of my board (mixer). For a PCI based card I can't really complain. The Pulsar1/RCA ("classic" i/o) is far worse but it's using rca/phono style consumer connectors at -10dBv, so what can you expect?

[garyb]

[lagoausente]

The goal would be a new sampler from S/C capabla or reading giga and streaming audio from hdd, you would need to extra hardware, no extra lcd, etc etc.

[lagoausente]

Rumor has it that a developer with decades of sampling under their belts has a hardware BETA 1U ( Like XITE-1 ) that comes standard w/ a RISC processor, custom software design and a base model of 160GB of storage w/ an SSD.

What one??

[nightscope]

I have just waded into the wacky world of samplers a trifle late in the game. Got a Proteus X2 for sod all, 35 quid with a free USB midi box. Millions of useless sounds including the Hip Hop CD which is as much use to me as a hole in the head. Still quite handy. I use it mainly to map things out in the host before bringing the big Scope guns to bear.

I'm looking at a DVD for this here Proteus called Virtuoso X http://www.dv247.com/sample-cds/e-mu-es ... o-x--25884 which is supposed to have the samples from the hardware Proteus VIRTUOSO 2000.

I just want a few vague approximations of strings and things to blend in behind other played instruments; not an exact emulation of the Halle. Whaddya think? Yay or naye?

ns

[astroman]

well, I'm still a big fan of the original Proteus Two crappy pop & funk strings galore...
But can't imagine that's a DVD as the the EMU soundsets for their hardware were usually 128 KB or so.
Anyway EMU's sets were always pretty well tuned for their purpose, not just simple records.
I'd give them a shot...

cheers, Tom

[nightscope]

I'd give them a shot...

Right ho, Tom. It must be a CD. I know nothing of this sampling stuff and want cheap and cheerful. I will snaffle these Virtusoso's. Can't complain for 35 notes.

Mucho appreciato.

ns

[braincell]

I never liked the Proteus because it lacks warmth and body. In those days you would go through hundreds of patches on various synthesizers to find one you liked. Now my problem is picking which one I like the most from many great patches. It's a lot easier to make midi music these days.

The drum machine in Cubase 5 is a functional sampler.