Legalized Drugs ???

[zangsta]

those prisons are cheap labor sources. some of the only major manufacturing still in the USA is in prisons. this is a place where wages and costs can compete with China's.

That´s how IKEA got big, using cheap labor in swedish prisons.

[garyb]

slavery by any other name...even when it's "benevolent"...

[garyb]

yes, dollar efficiency is what it's all about. you can tell by the state of the world's economy.

[garyb]

those kinds of statistics can be quite misleading.

[garyb]

especially ones that lump ordinary minor offenses in with horrible sounding felonious ones...

[dawman]

The guy who was raped by " Bigfoot " resides in Montana State Pen @ Butte.
The Montana State Song is " There Will Never Be Another Ewe ( you ). "..............
http://www.muttonbone.com/

[garyb]

by golly, you're right!

[David]

[Soap Box On]

I've been taking leagalised drugs for 23 years and I have no great faith in them whatsoever. Sure they maintain a modicum of stability but they always promise the miracle cure! Sure there have been major advancements in medical science but whenever I go to the clinic and am offered new meds, sure enough the Doc is holding a pen emblazoned with that company's logo or drinking from same said company logo'd cup. I try not to be bitter but it appears to me the developments in medicine are a lot slower than money making companies like to make out and I although I do understand it takes a lot of dedication and funds to research and invent something truely effective, I'm sickened when I'm at the mercy of being fleeced by such a money making system. I understand true wonder drugs are available gratis to those in need but even they sometimes are nowhere near as effective as they're made out to be and it is even the medical fraternity that have been hoodwinked by the drug companies. Still I have no choice and I don't trust getting my drugs from anywhere else. It's no wonder people turn to Illegal drugs when there effectiveness is so immediately obvious.

Soap Box Off


I apologise for my rant I'm usually quiet on these matters as it's very personal, I perhaps should have never joined in this debate but I do get riled

[dawman]

The only time I do drugs these days is when I am asked to do a drug test.
For some reason it angers me that someone wants to invade my privacy.
Even then it's my rebellious nature calling, I just dump out a 20 on the top of the toilet and once I have urinated in the cup, I do it all in one big snort and walk out of the shitter w/ my eyes wide open with a white ringed nose and hand the " medically trained professional " my cup of hot steaming piss as I sniffle and rub my beak...

Funny thing about American Pharmacuetical conglamorates, they realize that people who are broke need money, and they can legally get you to test some new drugs knowing someone who's broke will gladly take their 6000 USD, and they even tell you they are not responsible for any ill side effects....
My neighbor's having a tough time these days, as the Mexican landscapers aren't affordable.
The poor chap's cutting his own grass, working at a local newspaper, and testing new drugs at night for 6 large just to keep his house...
These drug companies are shameless, but obviously have lots of money to spend.
One thing about a bad economy in Nevada, Legal Prostitution, Gambling, entertainment and drugs all are on a rise.
If I could just find my old Lakota buddy I'd buy a big bag Mescaline so I could watch my keyboards roll in and out like the surf......

[David]

The only time I do drugs these days is when I am asked to do a drug test.
For some reason it angers me that someone wants to invade my privacy.
Even then it's my rebellious nature calling, I just dump out a 20 on the top of the toilet and once I have urinated in the cup, I do it all in one big snort and walk out of the shitter w/ my eyes wide open with a white ringed nose and hand the " medically trained professional " my cup of hot steaming piss as I sniffle and rub my beak... ........

It's a good job they don't tell you to do a retest because they botched your first sample

If I could just find my old Lakota buddy I'd buy a big bag Mescaline so I could watch my keyboards roll in and out like the surf......

Wow Mescaline is legal here but I'm buggered if I can find any. Back to teasing my cactus and gardening me thinks

[dawman]

It was something I always wanted to do, but the truth is I am so straight these days I have to lay down just to take a shit...
I did do a drug test last week for the Feds.
I applied for the Union / Federal job that an old aquaintance steered me to at the Airport and was accepted a few months ago. I had to take some classes but will start in 6 weeks.
Nevada just got a big influx of cash from those scoundrels in Washington.
We are building a new terminal and 3 parking garages at the Airport. The terminal itself is 3/4 of mile long, and the Prevailing wage is 65 USD per hour !!
I will drive around w/ the Union Steward shaking hands and kissing ass and pretend I am a big shot.
Great insurance after 90 days and some really big checks. I am broke after paying all of my taxes and buying new gear, and can't afford my family insurances. So this will work for a while. Plus I can still be involved at a new showroom at night as a Musical Director if things work out right.
Thank the Lord that I am addicted to synthesizers or mixers......with this kind of free/easy money I could easily overdose on drugs and prostitutes....but what a way to go.

After my drug test I had to take safety tests for 2 days at the Union Hall just to drive a Golf Cart !!!
Below is my stupid FAA/ certification card I have to show while flying around on the Tarmacs......

[valis]

I apologise for my rant I'm usually quiet on these matters as it's very personal, I perhaps should have never joined in this debate but I do get riled

I see no reason to apologize for that, the only companies making more of a profit than the Pharmco's the last 8-10 years are the oil conglomerates. The worst part is that the actual materials used in most of the overpriced pharms costs pennies to the dozens/hundreds of dollars that they're sold to you for. And for added fun, *none* of these companies are valued directly based on the quality or profitability of what they're selling, instead it's how much they can expand/consume/'lead the market' since it's all about stock market valuation & primary responsibility to the 'investors'/stockholders.

Now that isn't to say there's no use for modern pharmacology, there are amazing cures for diseases that 100-150 yrs ago would have been a terminal sentence. But the seeming goal for many of these companies is to peddle as much as they can to as many as they can, especially here in the US where they are allowed to outpace the 'freebies' to the doctors with advertising. Advertising so patients show up requesting things the doctors haven't even heard of yet, and who can say no? If someone thinks something might make clear & 'miraculous' gains where there haven't been any before, they'll just see a different doctor if told no (as has already played out with the dispersal of antibiotics to any sniffling nose).

Welcome my Son, welcome to the machine...

[David]

I suppose that extends into most concepts of "need"

[garyb]

Dont forget the banks that really made money with the greed of the people. virtual money.

the banks at the top only "make" money to control the system. they already OWN ALL the money and provide it to lesser banks and governments at interest. naturally, they create the money from nothing, as the have no assets per se, but their shareholders DO own(control) ALL the gold, silver oil, coal, land etc....

the system you are aware of is just a front.

[David]

This is all sounding familiarly like Ben Elton's book - Stark

not that I'm in anyway endorsing his scrawlings

I think Kurt Vonnegut had a book on this too... but I forget the title

Now, I'll recomend Vonnegut

[garyb]

it's not a book, but a reality.

for a glimpse into the backround a book like "the anglo-american establishment" by carrol quigley is more to the point, but a boring read like most of the books that really detail who and what...

[David]

Hey Gary, I was in no way trying to undermine the importance of your views and I am aware of what's going on around me. I enjoy reading this discussion and it does open my eyes further.
Maybe I'm being too defensive here but I had just noticed a familiar theme that seems to have been acknowledged many times throughout history and sometimes creatively embelished.

This is a literary forum.... now if we could produce these ideas in a musical way

[garyb]

just talking with you...i never thought we had a problem.


yes, it's an old theme. there is and only ever has been(to anyone's knowing) only one civilization, one continuum. the ruling families haven't gone anywhere, that's why they only breed with eachother. they do move the center of operations, and it's taken quite a long time, thousands of years to really get control of most everything. competitors who are victorious are absorbed. if you read Plato's The Republic, he'll tell you the same.

literary, in that we have to write and read to speak about this stuff here...

musically? i write my silly songs, but i love and play music regardless of those knuckleheads! music expresses different things. lyrics are literary....or not.

[David]

Alright, Gary, keep your hair on ( a bad joke I'm sure you've had to withstand too many times)
I've certainly no beef with you, I certainly don't wish to fall out with you and I think I pointed out I was being too defensive for a sensible response. (too many meds today methinks)
This is a great discussion, familiar through the annuls of time and embelished in many ways or not.
Plato's The Republic was good, perhaps it's a bit too long for a musical translation though

[garyb]

The Republic is NOT a happy story.
let's do a musical translation of something else....