Legalized Drugs ???

[dawman]

I will never forget my brief stay in Zeist years ago, we even got to visit Amsterdam.
We got to visit the Coffee Shops and Cafes along the Amstel, and Drugs were legal, the women were outrageously georgeous, and the people were so friendly to us. Well that was during the Clinton days, I wouldn't even leave the USA while Bush Jr. was in office.
I saw or heard no crime, just a beautiful, peaceful brief visit.

At any rate they have proven that legalised drugs can create revenue for the state, lower crime, etc.
California has a pro Marijuana lobby to legalize and tax dope.
I tend to agree.
It will basically put an end to the violence on our borders, decrease crime, make money.
Maybe these politicians are starting to think more clearly since they are staring at an epidemic and spending Billions trying to fight the Carterls.
Just make it legal, and for God's sake get a different lobbyist to promote the idea.
The guy I saw on the news today was clean cut, etc...But he had fever blisters all over his lips like he'd been up for days, or was toking too close to his mouth....

Reminded me of the movie Spinal Tap where the band memebers were always giving interviews and always had sores on their mouths....

Nevada needs to follow California's lead and do this also. it already has a good lobby going, and Prostitution brings in a rather hefty tax revenue.

Someday I would love to back to the Amstel and enjoy their Coffee again...

[braincell]

Massachusetts has decriminalized small amounts of Marijuana making getting caught with less than an ounce of pot punishable by a civil fine of $100. The new California legislation is certain not to pass. It's a publicity stunt.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/17/225516/066

"First Barack Obama was for decriminalization of marijuana. Then he was against it. Then he said he was for it, explaining he raised his hand by mistake at a debate.

Now he's clear: he opposes decriminalization of marijuana.

What accounts for this latest switch? His campaign says he didn't understand what decriminalization meant."

[dawman]

He's a Poll reader Bro.............no different than the average DC actor/spokesperson.

Crime in Mexico and the USA would show such a dramatic decline, they're afraid that they'll try and legalize narcotics and take away the CIA's secret cash cow. They actually hooked half of SoCal on crack years ago, and have the most to lose.
And after kicking out the Taliban their profits from doing business w/ the Opium Lords must be very beneficial...
In the big speech's we have heard all week not once a mention of the troubles on the Border, but Nancy Pilosi lept to her feet clapping more than a Seal at Sea World.
Drug bust's at least rake in a little cash for Uncle Sam, but decriminalizing Marijuana and taxing it would be a wise move.
Pro Athletes could then help in the advertisements as well as many famous celebrities and musicians.

I could just see Alex Rodriguez saying..." After I do a big 50CC shot of steriods in my ass, I always go and strike up a big blunt of Jose Galdez's Premium Smoke.....It really takes an edge off of the Testestorone within minutes"......

I'm Counting On CA To Set The Pace..

[braincell]

We are supporting Mexican drug lords when we do not have to. That is so wrong.

[garyb]

you know what? it was just the beginning of the last century when EVERYTHING was legal and in the local drug store. criminalization is strictly a matter of control. it's also good for business.

the key word is criminalization, to make something criminal.

[Neutron]

Tax it . It will still be cheaper. put gangs off the street, not be cut with poison, put drug lords who are screwing up entire countries out of business, and less people in jail..oh oops. maybe its that last part. there is good kickbacks to be had from putting people in jail.(and the fact that some of the drugs would probably put a big dent in some drug companies coffers, more kickbacks, going back a hundred years!)

and dont give me BS about government making money from taxing harmful things..they tax cars and gas. tobacco, alcohol. (but churches remain tax free)

[Shroomz~>]

It's hilarious that they've made hundreds/thousands of trillions (or whatever obscene amount) from taxing the likes of tobacco & alcohol, yet have the audacity to tell you it's illegal to use them in public. It makes no sense, but it fits in with all the other grey area stuff on offer that are officially turned a blind eye to since they're money spinners. It's legal to by seeds & all the equipment you need to grow copious amounts of ganja, but it's illegal to grow it, posses it or smoke it. Go figure. I guess the companies that sell all that stuff don't need to pay taxes.

I'm just waiting for them telling people they're not allowed to drive cars in public. 'You can drive them around your own obscenely large private estates, but no vehicles are allowed on public highways. We are abolishing the public highway'.

[dawman]

Only in the good ol' USA can a profit be made from imprisonment.
I originally hail from Missouri where Senator Jack Danforth, whose family owned Ralston Purina, which not long ago owned most of the prisons in Nevada.
For every prisoner they would house the State would pay the prison for profit owners, and then turn around and tax the citizens and Casinos for their services....that's one hell of a racket when you consider a large percentage of those imprisoned were for petty crimes.
That has changed though as the prisons met their maximum capacity.
We now have drug courts, seperate from civil and criminal, but hey they will keep you out of prison for 5-10000 USD, and then you go to school and that amount of cash is allowed to be paid in smaller installments.....

I have many Mexican friends, illegal and legal. The illegal Mexicans can now claim to be Political refugees according to our laws.
That's how bad it's getting down there.
Making the asassin of youth " Marijuana ", legal is just the first step and I hope the people win this vote when the time comes.

I can just see the marijuana farms now...........White Migrant workers for the first time in a hundred years....

BTW in Nevada you can still drink in public, carry a gun, buy a girl, smoke a cigarette... but weed will get the Church goers reaching for thier guns...

[siriusbliss]

Northern California has marijuana farms all over the place, including fake houses, and people growing crops in basements with solar panels.

Pot should be legalized and taxed to get Californicatia out of debt and then we can make the pharmaceuticals illegal and sue all the insurance companies for malpractice and corruption to commit slow-motion murder. All the cars could run on hemp too.

Besides, the US was founded on hemp. In order to own land, you had to have hemp for rope, oil, food, fuels, etc.

Greg

[kensuguro]

if legalization was a function of the likelihood of chemical addiction (not behavioral addiction), then weed isn't such a good candidate. Caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol are amongst the highest in chemical addiction. I think crack and meth follows right after nicotine. Nicotine I think ranks #1.

http://www.troubleblog.com/addiction/wh ... gs-0408560

The chart is a little different from the chart we studied in my anthropology class based around shamanism, but pretty close.

[valis]

Northern California has marijuana farms all over the place, including fake houses, and people growing crops in basements with solar panels.

Agreed. The amount of thc that's brought over the border is completely dwarfed by what is grown locally. Also I think British Columbia's traffic into the US dwarfs Mexibud too. Good thing too, as Mexibud is often sprayed to get it across with less smell, in the best case you'd have just some minor residue from whatever was spread across the outside of the nonporous plastic (like turkey bags but thicker) but quite often the cheaper guys just spray it down with windex/ammonia before tossing it onto the truck. Yum!

Incidentally, look into how legal it is to cultivate your own tobacco...varies state by state but in most cases they don't want you bypassing all the extra additives that are on commercially available smokes "for smoother smoke and longer burn". Can't say I'd be happy to see the same thing happen to Mary Jane.

[irrelevance]

Tax it . It will still be cheaper. put gangs off the street, not be cut with poison, put drug lords who are screwing up entire countries out of business, and less people in jail..oh oops. maybe its that last part. there is good kickbacks to be had from putting people in jail.(and the fact that some of the drugs would probably put a big dent in some drug companies coffers, more kickbacks, going back a hundred years!)

Absolutely! Private prison firms must see the poor old drug user as a cash cow. http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=867

Crazy situation in the USA with the state laws conflicting with Federal Law on cannabis at this point in time.

Only in the good ol' USA can a profit be made from imprisonment.
I originally hail from Missouri where Senator Jack Danforth, whose family owned Ralston Purina, which not long ago owned most of the prisons in Nevada.
For every prisoner they would house the State would pay the prison for profit owners, and then turn around and tax the citizens and Casinos for their services....that's one hell of a racket when you consider a large percentage of those imprisoned were for petty crimes.
That has changed though as the prisons met their maximum capacity.
We now have drug courts, seperate from civil and criminal, but hey they will keep you out of prison for 5-10000 USD, and then you go to school and that amount of cash is allowed to be paid in smaller installments.....


BTW in Nevada you can still drink in public, carry a gun, buy a girl, smoke a cigarette... but weed will get the Church goers reaching for thier guns...

Yeh. Thank goodness for nixon!

We are supporting Mexican drug lords when we do not have to. That is so wrong.

They're just the face for the operation who's pulling the strings? Iran Contra affair/Freeway Ricky, MKULTRA and CIA. A lot of money to be made and many nations to control.

[Neutron]

funny how something happens like iran/contra, and then once it is "old news" afterwards they just go ahead and do it even more anyways.
same thing happened where there was a big scandal over radio payola, and now all radio is payola.

[next to nothing]

It is perfectly legal for me to grow plants that could kill me, but to grow plants that brings my mood up is illegal... If it was up to me, any household should at any time be allowed to have a couple of plants in growth and a couple of plants to smoke/eat/drink/etc.

[darkrezin]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4936&hl=en

Pretty good documentary on the drug war, decent coverage of the whole Contra/CIA-driven crack epidemic.

The private prison system is one of the most disturbing things in the whole scenario.

[garyb]

those prisons are cheap labor sources. some of the only major manufacturing still in the USA is in prisons. this is a place where wages and costs can compete with China's.

[siriusbliss]

It is perfectly legal for me to grow plants that could kill me, but to grow plants that brings my mood up is illegal... If it was up to me, any household should at any time be allowed to have a couple of plants in growth and a couple of plants to smoke/eat/drink/etc.

Move to Mendocino, California.

Greg

[siriusbliss]

those prisons are cheap labor sources. some of the only major manufacturing still in the USA is in prisons. this is a place where wages and costs can compete with China's.

Yes, and Cheney is on the board of directors of companies that profit from the $5/week wages of the prison manufacturing.

Greg

[Tau]

Prohibition is plain evil and even more so when it applies to naturally occurring plants and fungi. Its a crime against biodiversity, against nature and against the free will of human beings.

What it does is create a monopoly so that the few can make absurd amounts of money at the expense of the many. It's also a way to extend the arm of the law to otherwise well behaved citizens, who become outlaws for eating the "forbidden fruit".

[siriusbliss]

I am pretty sure Obama will change it.

I doubt it.

The States can't take back their sovereignty while they are still sucking off the tit of the Fed bankers, and Obama is backed by the bankers, so....

Good luck getting MJ legalized and taxed while the oil/pharmaceutical magnates run the crazy-house.

Greg