Pro Flexor for Scope 5 - PETITION

[bill3107]

[motormind]

What... does SC really charge people for developing commercial stuff for their platform? That is as if Apple would charge developers when they make something for OSX. It doesn't make sense. SC should simply charge for the system itself and their own software and let others go rampant on it with whatever they can come up with. That's good marketing sense, since diversity makes the platform more attractive.

Really, were those guys asleep during economics classes?

[garyb]

they charge to maintain the protection scheme and to sell in their shop.

if the developer wished to use a different method, ala Spacef or Wolf, or no protection scheme at all, then that can be done for free. one can only sell devices from the developers kit. devices made via sdk must be given away free if they are distrubuted, unless S/C wishes to sell the device in the shop, in which case the sdk developer can choose to participate at the standard rate, or not.

let's not complicate the issue. it only revolves around the S/C shop.

[dawman]

I will use Flexor III in XITE-1 no problem.

I have an ancient 3 x card DAW still. It can run tons of Flexor III patches now that it will expell SpaceF & Bowen synths to a more suitable location.

Scope has taught me it's limitless routing possibilities, I did it with my windshield washer full of Jagermeister that came out of my ashtray for a tipper while driving home after the gigs, and I shall use the same lesson by routing Mod III / Flexor III from the digital I/O's of my cards into XITE-1. Besides the effects in Modular like chorus and delay are so generic. Flexor really deserves hardware FX and a few DSP treats as well. It will also have it's own FB5 mixer in XITE-1. While others contemplate their future path to take, I shall proudly carry both of these apps into battle, as they are inseperable.

Besides, I have never posted a snippet of it yet, but I have a 12 voice Sea Synth layered w/ my new Steinway Grand Piano that makes me practice for hours at a time it is so beautiful and lush. That sound was my motivation for this idea.

First Rule Of Government Spending..............Why Buy One When You Can Have Two For Twice The Price........................Dr. Hadden w/ Jodie Foster In The Movie " Contact".

[capacitor]

Jimmy, I just submitted "Flexmeister" as a new name possibility, in your honor.

[darkrezin]

Wow, looks like I missed some far out shit here.

All I can say is that I personally know that the Adern team works really really hard, and they haven't received the returns their efforts deserved. When even Scope users are too lazy to wire in a modular module, then I guess it's not surprising.

I think their decision to open up Flexor to a wider audience should be respected, no matter what it means! They're really hardworking guys and deserve to continue their mission to make the tools available to as many musicians as possible.

Flexor3 still works on the current cards and isn't going to stop working. Whether it works with X-ite is purely Sonic Core's decision to make, as far as I can see.

[dawman]

Brotha' Man Darky,

I agree 100% and do admire your political incorrectness, I often share the same traits.

I love the Adern Team's efforts and their results towards our platform so much, that I found a way for these 2 marvellous app.'s to co-exist while further developements continue.

Where there is a will, there's a way.

Perhaps it's a conspiracy to keep the current cards from flooding the market causing prices to drop, while new products are manufactured and marketed.... .

Is there such a thing as Scope DSP Card Speculators?

[motormind]

they charge to maintain the protection scheme and to sell in their shop.

Same difference. They shouldn't.

[braincell]

I'm not signing because I like the plan for Flexor to be independent from Scope. Why should Adern stay with a platform that has few customers and no future? I've been wondering when the bottom would fall out ever since they fired Paul Tanti.

[dawman]

http://www.cornerstonesworld.com/?A=29& ... =8&C=59458

The boys at Soniccore decided they needed new furniture, so I think it was a sound decision, as his prices for those uncomfotable ancient wooden chairs was no longer acceptable.

[siriusbliss]

I'm not signing because I like the plan for Flexor to be independent from Scope. Why should Adern stay with a platform that has few customers and no future? I've been wondering when the bottom would fall out ever since they fired Paul Tanti.

if there's no future, then why are you still here?
Scope has lasted 10 years, and can last another 10 for all we know...
The rest of the market (saturated no less) gets a scaled-back Flexor, and Scope users with dedicated DSP do not? Because both sides haven't resolved the business issues?
Seem more counterproductive than anything, but I still see a long future ahead for Scope.

Greg

[garyb]

wow.

[braincell]

I always thought that it was wrong from the early days of Creamware that they would help developers, but only if they were personal friends of theirs. I also got the feeling that they never had any desire to hear from consumers about their wishes. They have always been a very arrogant company and now we see nothing has changed with SC.

The guy from Algorithmic Arts was visiting this site recently. He wanted to do something for Scope. No reply from the company. This guy is incredibly creative and innovative. He won awards for his software.

If you want to succeed in life, you have to work with other people.

I predict the Xcite-1 will be a miserable failure.

No more walled gardens. AOL wanted to have their own web with no internet access. We see what happened to them.

As much as we hate Steinberg, they made ASIO, VST and VSTi open for anyone, not just their friends! This was brilliant and made their platform much more exciting and vibrant than Scope will ever be. I also love Rewire. Including Rewire in Scope would have been a major benefit to me.

[bill3107]

oups I have edited this message because I overreacted to Braincell's message. I have posted another message (later in this thread) which reflects what I really think ... Sorry Braincell, I was a bit nervous yesterday and that was rather a battle of idea than a personal one. I forgot you are a scope user but I think your point of view needed evidences / proofs mainly because it was quite agressive ...

If you think Xite is a failure (you have the right to think so), just give more details as many people need to compare (I have already posted my opinion by comparing with UAD and powercore products, that I know too). Do you know what I mean ? May be Iit is just a dream but I though forum are to help and give information...

Since Soniccore exists both support and communication have become better and better.... I have personnally sent many emails to Holger (also for complaining !) and I think Xite gathers many features many Scopers has prayed for, so .... Soniccore has nothing to do with late Creamware. That's just my opinion but as you can see I have given some proofs of my point of view ...

[Mr Arkadin]

bill3107, i think you'll find a nice new mute function in this forum - that's what i use and then you don't even notice silly posts anymore and can move on.

[braincell]

Please use the mute function. This forum is about SC not me. Attacking me personally not only is immature but a poor reflection on you. It is not your business what card I use and I have mentioned I like Scope after discarding my type one cards which cost me $1700 USD. I never attacked you so don't attack me. Use mute or zip it. Just because Scope has and always has had miserable management, doesn't mean what they created sucks. Yes it is over priced, yes they don't listen to desires of consumers, yes they don't work with developers unless they are personal friends. We can overcome this problem when they sell the company to more intelligent people or better yet go open source.

[MrV]

Onya Billy Boy .

[dawman]

There We Go Again,

Brotha' Man Brainy has valid points that should be discussed. This forum is open to all opinions whether we want to hear them or not.

Braincell still uses Scope and is a member here, so his opinion while not mainstream is welcome IMHO. Otherwise we would all be pattin' each other on the back.

Paul T. has a great furniture business in Malta and has moved on, Scope is still alive and kickin', and as far as XITE-1 not being sold in large quantities....................Excellent. That way no other performers will have my sound quality no matter how many VSTi's, Receptors, and Motif's they layer together.

I paid 4 large for this thing and worked my ass off to buy it along with Solaris, and the new DAW we are putting together for Flexor III. I like Flexor III so much, I am not waiting for Adern or Soniccore to settle their scores. That's their business, my buisiness is punishing those who wish to share a stage w/ me. With my chops, and these weapoms, I shall succeed in that endeavor.

The real beauty of these cards is I have made money off of my GSIF 1.0 / 45 DSP Type I DAWg for 3 years !! Giga can suck my butt. I am buying newer cheap Intel products that are proven, and I shall play Flexor III and these cards until they literally burn to peices, Lord knows I have tried.

A Northwood 3.0Ghz w/ the Supermicro P4SCT+II and 2GB's of RAM, and 3 x Type I Pros's have made me a bundle of cash, and are being refitted w/ a DP35DP / 2GB's DDRII, and an E8200 for the mere price of 240 USD !!

Who needs new when old works well and at this price.

Besides us guys over here in the States really don't know much about the way the German Government supports it's small businesses. Over here, you sink or swim. Thankfully in more Socialist type of Governments they keep companies up and running through tough times. Just look at AMD.......If the German Goverment wouldn't have invested 84 large into the FAB in Dresden, we would be paying 700 USD for a Wolfdale instead of 249 !!!

While we all chat about inconsequential events in a gentlemenly way................I will go kick the crap out of everything I see w/ Flexor III and XITE-1............

[braincell]

Good luck to Paul. I really liked that guy. Does he make furniture? I liked his multitap delay. Thanks man.

[dawman]

I haven't a clue Bortha' Man Brainy,

It was a usual tasteless joke on my part.

If your negative posts were just Scope bashin', I'd be onya like flies on shit, but anyone who has Scope and complains should be heard IMHO, that's all. Who knows...Holger and Ralf might answer your pleas sometime.

Flexor III Lives, even though it has left the building.