cracks and clicks

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:19 am

Hi everybody!
After months of troubles i finally built a new system, everything is fine exept of several clicks and crackling noises while using my sequencers via asio (ableton and sam10 master). also sibelius won´t let me use my scope asio.
when playing back one track in sam10 i get some lost asio buffer messages.
when i just use scope there are no issues.
My system is
dual core 4500
gigabyte ds3r
kingston 2 GB ram
some ati 256 gpu
2 pulsar 2
winxpsp2
#
any help would be highly appreciated

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:13 am

which asio are you using ? asio2-24/32 ?
what is your latency setting ? sample rate ?

also, did this suddenly happen ? perhaps a bad disk......

did you check irq sharing and everything ? there is lots of info in the forums about all this..... what have you checked ?

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:13 am

thx for your quick reply

i wrote an answer before but in that very moment my computer decided to crash with a bluescreen DRIVER_IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

i tried every asio driver on every ulli setting available at 44.1 kHZ, but it did not seem to make any difference.

i checked irq sharing, one was alone at irq20, the other pulsarwas at 18 together with usb intel ich9 usb universal host controller...

i also disabled raid

right now i took out one of my pulsar, so the one left is on irq 20, not sharing with other devices.

I have to point out that i started the system with an asus p5k mainboard which was terrible and showed crackling all the time even with the win med-player via internal sound-card. As i read that there were several people with the same problems with that board i returned it and took the gigabyte instead.
So maybe there are some problems with old,left asus drivers.
Anyway, the media-player does not crackle anymore

, at least something good.

I´m running an IDE-hard-disk, not SATA

Oh, another thing
i started month ago upgrading my old AMD 2000+, asus a7nxblabla system which 2 pulsars which was running great without problems. After i changed the chassis, power unit and gpu (it was way too load) troubles started. I thought it was
1. one of the pulsars (i replaced it)
2. the cpu (replaced)
3. the mainboard (that was the point where i decided to start things from scratch ....new gear, format c and so on )

but , well, things didn´t turn out to well

...any suggestions?

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:43 am

hmmm I dont know, cant think of anything.

to debug the problem you can try a few differnt sequencers to see if it is really happening always ? (FLStudio, Reaper, ... )

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:11 pm

right now it's happening with ableton live 7, samplitude 10 and not to mention sibelius 5 which won't even accept the scope asio driver.

i think the bluescreen may be caused by fiddling around with another driver (asio4all for the internal sound-card)

but the both scopes work properly as long as there is no sequencer involved.

when i'm running live or sam with a different driver it's the same or even worse

and i'm not running dozens of vsti's, just one sampler or playing back a wave file

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:14 pm

did you try disable internal soundcard on motherboard ?

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:24 pm

will do tomorrow
thank you and i´ll keep you informed

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:36 pm

you need to disable that usb controller. you should be recording to another separate hard drive. is the drive you are recording to on the same ide channel as the cd/dvd? if so, the ide channel may have gotten set to pio mode......

also, what do you have running in the backround that might be stealing cpu cycles? any antivirus, system restore, virii, spyware?

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:20 pm

i have my ide rive and the dvd-drive running on one (the only one ) ide channel.

crackling does appear while playing back or playing vstis.

i had one single pulsar runnung on a non-shared irq - no difference

right now there is no anti-virus, system restore or so... program running in the background.

what do you mean by "the ide channel may have gotten set to pio mode......" and how can i change it ?

tnank you

zangsta · Post by **zangsta** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:36 pm

Right-click on "this computer", select properties, select the hardware tab, then device-manager,
look for IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers, and then Primary IDE channel.
Right click on it and select properties and look at transfer-mode , thats´s where !

J_S

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:02 am

you need TWO sata drives for that computer. put the os and programs on one, and put the recordings and project files on the other....

sunset070 · Post by **sunset070** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:07 am

sometime ati gpu give crakiclig noise problem try to substitute vith nvidia video card

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:24 am

thanx for the replies

ide-matter: in the device manger the primary ide-channel is set to "dma-if available", in the tab below is (it´s german, i´ll try to translate) not applicable (nicht anwendbar)

garyb: can i simply change the disk, copy my os on it or is there any special procedure ? ( i heard about special commands or changing it with the help of a linux live-cd) Hints are welcome

that ati problem sounds interesting, but does it give you "lost asio buffers" as samplitude tells me when playing back one wave track?
the ati has one seperate audio device (ati function-driver hd-compliant blabla) installed. the card is an ati radeon hd 3450. any experiences with that one?

i just tried disabling the onboard device, no difference

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:46 am

You cannot just copy the disk.

You disabled both onboard sound _and_ USB ?
Try deinstalling the onboard sound drivers also.

After you did that, I would try (yet again) a fresh Scope install......

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:52 am

one thing concerning the hd

i had this running perfectly in the old configuration (no crackling at all) (athlon xp2000 asus a7nx)

i´ll have to go now, be back in the evening

cheers!

zangsta · Post by **zangsta** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:11 am

stardust wrote:
was it better before ?
what has been changed ?

And then track down how the changes can be mitigated.

Doing that, from the data given, I´d recommend checking if it´s an insufficient power unit, or if it´s malfunctioning.

J_S

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:22 am

good point

how can the power unit affect "lost asio buffers" or how can it keep sibelius from working with the scope-asio-driver.
In my old setup it has been working. with the same power unit (Xilence 420 W).
But i remeber when it tried switching from Athlon2000 to 3000 i had some bad dropouts and crashes, no bluescreen but simply bump, crash, restart. It vanished when i got back to 2000. So i thought it might have been the cpu or the mainboard.

to stardust: the problem with that is: there has not been a before.
the xp is all new and so is the rest

and please remember: i have those clicks as soon as i use the sequencer, independent which driver i´m using, even with asio4all or the wave drivers.
i have no problems with scope standalone or with media-player via internal sound-card

Thanx

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:24 am

one more thing

according to the task manager i have no cpu spikes or overload

FrancisHarmany · Post by **FrancisHarmany** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:26 am

I do not believe its an CPU issue.
More devices/drivers which are conflicting.

luigicampala · Post by **luigicampala** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:06 am

stardust thanks

i have already tried wave drivers, no difference

i already had only one pulsar running, inserted in a pci-slot that was not sharing irq with any other devices, unfortunately no difference

concerning the gpu: should i try to lower the rate in the pci-e bios setting? right now it´s at 100MHz (or so..i´m not too familiar with this stuff)