it IS scientific to say "i think gymnastics may be detrimental to health in the long run", and then observe what happens to old gymnasts(they have physical problems) and then determine "gymnastics, while promoting coordination and flexibility, are detrimental to human health in the long run", so skwawks, you are more scientific than you know.
science as a method of discovering the world is great. it does and will NOT answer all questions, however(some experiments can never be built or observed and on the quantum level, observing the action changes it). every scientist knows this and the good ones readily admit it. it is the armies of hypnotized, blindered, obstinate, misunderstanding and indoctrinated followers who, in the same way as with the same type of followers of yoga, religion and so many other hotbutton topics, make the word science sound like a curse word.
science is just observation. it is the method of making a guess about something, doing an experiment to see if the guess was correct and then reporting the results to everyone else. it's no high calling, it's just everyday life. science is an enhancer, not a main course(science might help farming, but eating and finding food does not require science. music can be enhanced by science, but science is not needed for music. sex can be enhanced, but....)
the fact of the matter is, that over the course of some 5,000 years, certain things were discovered about the human body, many scientifically (proved through usefullness over that time). in fact, for something that old, it's safe to say that much of the real point behind it has been lost to superstition and confusion. this is what happens to human experience over time, especially with the constant rise and fall of civilizations. still, many basic helpful things remain, and that is why people are still using the disciplines, because there is something to be gained.
it's true that fakes and charlatans often make hay using these systems that are mostly not understood in this time. it's true that some of the explanations are as ridiculous as some of the garbage spouted off on the discovery channel. it's also true that not everyone needs to do yoga, or even care about it.
what's not true is that to just dismiss it as so much poppycock so arrogantly is the sign of the ability to reason clearly. in fact, it's just the opposite. it's the sign of closed minded ignorance because i've seen what yoga is, and i can tell you it's not what some of you think it is. yoga is a very broad word. so broad that there are many different names for the different types that are all the different things a human can do, such as think, move, worship, relax, eat, have sex, etc. to dismiss yoga is to not understand the word. it's tough to know what someone means when the meaning is in a different language. we take for granted that everyhting that people can think of or experience can be expressed in english. this is false. however this much can be said: the word in sanskrit means to yoke(as with a team of oxen) and refers to getting the mind and body working as a team(so what's wrong with that?). in fact the word is from the exact same root as "union" and "yoke" which is not surprising since english is an "INDO-european" language.
of course, the word also has a negative connotation. just as a yoke can be seen as a joining of forces toward a common goal, it can also be seen as the collar which chains a man to his work, which is done with a whip at his back. this is the topic of another rant for another day, however.......
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FrancisHarmany
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Great post Gary! I agree with you.
So Gary is right, Yoga is about union. For those interested: We are trying to "unite" heaven and earth.
Also known as:
- Postitive Negative
- Yin Yang
- Male Female
- Shiva Shakti
- Father Sun
- Father Mother
- God Godess
Basicly, we try to get out of this Duality we find oursevels in!
If you are totally absorbed with eating, then you are having Food Yoga
With Yoga we try to unite with "Bhraman". Bhraman is "The Absolute" or the Source behind Source.. The Cause of all Causes....
So Gary is right, Yoga is about union. For those interested: We are trying to "unite" heaven and earth.
Also known as:
- Postitive Negative
- Yin Yang
- Male Female
- Shiva Shakti
- Father Sun
- Father Mother
- God Godess
Basicly, we try to get out of this Duality we find oursevels in!
If you are totally absorbed with eating, then you are having Food Yoga
With Yoga we try to unite with "Bhraman". Bhraman is "The Absolute" or the Source behind Source.. The Cause of all Causes....yeah, i'm happy to be alive, myself....
it's all this other foolishness i have a problem with. personally, hinduism doesn't fit me and all this occultism is a waste of time. life itself is enough, but i'd be a liar if i were to say that India knows nothing. you can see by the ruins that India had it's new york city days and that many things that seem new now have been long forgotten and only found again through "re" search.
it's all this other foolishness i have a problem with. personally, hinduism doesn't fit me and all this occultism is a waste of time. life itself is enough, but i'd be a liar if i were to say that India knows nothing. you can see by the ruins that India had it's new york city days and that many things that seem new now have been long forgotten and only found again through "re" search.
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I don't have time for word plays with you. Either you have evidence or not. I don't give damn if you sound scientific or not.garyb wrote:it IS scientific to say "i think gymnastics may be detrimental to health in the long run", and then observe what happens to old gymnasts(they have physical problems) and then determine "gymnastics, while promoting coordination and flexibility, are detrimental to human health in the long run", so skwawks, you are more scientific than you know.
You're crazy!garyb wrote: science as a method of discovering the world is great. it does and will NOT answer all questions, however(some experiments can never be built or observed and on the quantum level, observing the action changes it). every scientist knows this and the good ones readily admit it. it is the armies of hypnotized, blindered, obstinate, misunderstanding and indoctrinated followers who, in the same way as with the same type of followers of yoga, religion and so many other hotbutton topics, make the word science sound like a curse word.
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FrancisHarmany
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Bingo please tell me what you concider evidence. I already told you we have can reproduce the results and all that. You seem to ignore all my comments!
Yoga meets all the requirements you gave me. If it doesnt please point out where I made a wrong turn in my thinking.
If its about the evidence, go practice, go read the studies which have been done.
However before you can read the studies, understand them, you will need some time learning about the FIELD of Yoga. Are you willing ?
Can one really expect to understand a science without know anything about it ? What do you know of the things I talk about ?
Do you also realise, that you BELIEVE yoga is not science ? You have no Evidence its not, you cannot, because you do not know a single thing about it.
Really, are you up for an intelligent discussion, or do you choose to continue to debate your beliefs in here ?
Are you willing to talk about the content of the PDF ? Or perhaps what yoga is about, before you dismiss everything because it doenst fit with your belief-system ?
I really do not enjoy you poluting this thread with your ignorance about Yoga. Please stop it, be respectfull, at least be scientific, dont just troll in here because you feel your beliefs are "attacked".
I know, I know, you will respond to this message with a few words, not discussing the content. Its so obvious you are leeching our energy. My heart is to big to ignore you tho, I feel for you!
We do love you, even though you act so weird, disrespect milions of people, and treat people like they have no intelligence.
So my brother Bingo, will you look at the mirror ? Are you brave enough to study yourself ? Or do you need evidence to tell you its really you you see in the mirror ?
What science prooved you that what you feel is really YOU ? I am intersted in that study.
Fuck, you are so ignorant.......... but we still love you for it, it shows the rest of us how far we have come in life. Thank you.
Also, I am sure you are very smart, but you do not know it all do you ? Dont act like you do, thats my job.
Yoga meets all the requirements you gave me. If it doesnt please point out where I made a wrong turn in my thinking.
If its about the evidence, go practice, go read the studies which have been done.
However before you can read the studies, understand them, you will need some time learning about the FIELD of Yoga. Are you willing ?
Can one really expect to understand a science without know anything about it ? What do you know of the things I talk about ?
Do you also realise, that you BELIEVE yoga is not science ? You have no Evidence its not, you cannot, because you do not know a single thing about it.
Really, are you up for an intelligent discussion, or do you choose to continue to debate your beliefs in here ?
Are you willing to talk about the content of the PDF ? Or perhaps what yoga is about, before you dismiss everything because it doenst fit with your belief-system ?
I really do not enjoy you poluting this thread with your ignorance about Yoga. Please stop it, be respectfull, at least be scientific, dont just troll in here because you feel your beliefs are "attacked".
I know, I know, you will respond to this message with a few words, not discussing the content. Its so obvious you are leeching our energy. My heart is to big to ignore you tho, I feel for you!
We do love you, even though you act so weird, disrespect milions of people, and treat people like they have no intelligence.
So my brother Bingo, will you look at the mirror ? Are you brave enough to study yourself ? Or do you need evidence to tell you its really you you see in the mirror ?
What science prooved you that what you feel is really YOU ? I am intersted in that study.
Fuck, you are so ignorant.......... but we still love you for it, it shows the rest of us how far we have come in life. Thank you.
Also, I am sure you are very smart, but you do not know it all do you ? Dont act like you do, thats my job.
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FrancisHarmany
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Of course you are all right.
It was never my intention to tell anyone how to think, what to believe! I respect all your beliefs, and they are perfect for you. Just not for me
But if people are throwing out ignorant comments about something I am passionate about..... it gets me going of course!
For the Christians among us! Father - Son in christianity is Shiva - Shakti in yoga. It is my believe in the past it was Father - Mother, but the whole crusade against woman made them change it.
I am not sure yet about the holy spirit. I think that its the Soul, Atman.
It was never my intention to tell anyone how to think, what to believe! I respect all your beliefs, and they are perfect for you. Just not for me
But if people are throwing out ignorant comments about something I am passionate about..... it gets me going of course!
For the Christians among us! Father - Son in christianity is Shiva - Shakti in yoga. It is my believe in the past it was Father - Mother, but the whole crusade against woman made them change it.
I am not sure yet about the holy spirit. I think that its the Soul, Atman.