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Yoga (Reloaded)

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Thats right. Yoga has been "Reloaded". For the past 20 years a great Yogi has been rediscovering the truths behind the Yoga System!

I invite you all to look at his discoveries in a few books he wrote, which are availible online, I will send them to anyone who is interested.

Take is easy, this stuff takes some time to sink in!


I would be happy to discuss this with anyone who feels like it. I have been playing with "his models" for years and it still makes sense (the tiny part I think I understand ;)

Namaste
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Awesome link,
Thanks Brotha' Man.
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I don't understand how can one "discover the mysteries of life" by repeating a mantra in lotus position.
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BingoTheClowno wrote:I don't understand how can one "discover the mysteries of life" by repeating a mantra in lotus position.
where did it say that ?
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FrancisHarmany wrote:
where did it say that ?
Subtle Anatomy
Philippe "Ajita" Barbier
You want to practice Yoga the right way?
You want to understand what the effects are of the different Yoga-techniques?
Then you need this initiation in the mystery of life.
In this free booklet I shall try to explain some fundamental truths of the Science of the Self as I have
realized with the help of God, in my long practice of Yoga since 1963.
To start with, I ask you: "How is the world built, nature, your being?"
Out of matter, tissue, earth, liquid... you probably will answer.
Yes, but how is matter built?
Out of molecules, atoms, particles... I hear you saying.
Right, but how are these particles built?
Ah, ah, now it becomes difficult?
A few people in our western civilization already have found an answer: everything is built out of
energy. Even better: everything is energy.
But many, many centuries ago scientists of the East already had discovered that everything is
energy. Even more they had discovered also how to control energy. They were called Seers (Rishi's)
and their science is known as the Occult Science. It explains the mystery of life.
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yet it's still a remarkable thing that quantum mechanics and the above mentioned 'material is purely energy' 'theory' agree on the subject.
Science meets philosophy and nonmachiavellistic religion-without-a-God-notion.
What do you want more? :-D
please, let's just discuss, it are not our opinions which are impostant in the first place (we know them of eachother) but the interchange of them and the resulting debate :-)
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hubird wrote:yet it's still a remarkable thing that quantum mechanics and the above mentioned 'material is purely energy' 'theory' agree on the subject.
Science meets philosophy and nonmachiavellistic religion-without-a-God-notion.
What do you want more? :-D
please, let's just discuss, it are not our opinions which are impostant in the first place (we know them of eachother) but the interchange of them and the resulting debate :-)
I don't find the agreement with quantum mechanics remarkable at all. By now most people on this planet know basic facts about matter and energy, like, for example, that the energy is never lost or that energy doesn't come from nothing (see footnote 1). What I find remarkable is the clever use of carefully chosen suggestive words and phrases that mix partial scientific facts with unsubstantiated conclusions. The attention grabber for me was the phrase "mystery of life". It did grab my attention not because I believe life is mysterious, but on the contrary, that life is not mysterious at all. It is a mystery to me though how someone who is suggesting that has knowledge of particles and inner workings of atoms, finds life "mysterious".

I don't want anything more. In fact I stopped reading the pdf exactly when he mentioned the Occult Science and claiming that it explains the mystery of life. I know it is very attractive for someone to believe that life can be explained in such easy terms and short time. This author and most others on "similar" subjects, I believe, count on that.






1. You can read about Antoine Lavoisierwho postulated the law of the conservation of mass / matter. He died tragically by decapitation on the guillotine.
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sure, and one opinion more :-D
but i like to emphasize the remarkable plusses, as it's unique in religion (?) history :-)
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Bingo all I see you doing is bash the "Form" of the information which is presented to you. If you actually want to discuss the content .....

and then I mean disuss... not just argue about what you disagree with.

otherwise, leave it to the people who do enjoy playing with ideas, models, theories, to grow and learn.
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hubird wrote:sure, and one opinion more :-D
but i like to emphasize the remarkable plusses, as it's unique in religion (?) history :-)
Yoga is NOT a religion, it never was, and it never will be.

I can understand how you think this, but Yoga is a SCIENCE. It can be applied, results can be messured.
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BTW: in dutch he wrote it "initiation into the secrets of life"

maybe thats a "form" bingo "feels" more "comfy" with..... :P
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Bingo .....all I know about quantum mechanics and yoga can be written on a postage stamp although I have had a casual interest in both over time . I will say one thing though, as far as I've read there is no disagreement between them on the universe as we perceive it and I also know that yoga is good for you . Think about it :wink:
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Gymnastics is good for you too with an added plus of not having to listen to uneducated people poison your mind with false hopes.
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FrancisHarmany wrote:BTW: in dutch he wrote it "initiation into the secrets of life"

maybe thats a "form" bingo "feels" more "comfy" with..... :P
Yes, that's real comfy.
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FrancisHarmany wrote:
hubird wrote:sure, and one opinion more :-D
but i like to emphasize the remarkable plusses, as it's unique in religion (?) history :-)
Yoga is NOT a religion, it never was, and it never will be.

I can understand how you think this, but Yoga is a SCIENCE. It can be applied, results can be messured.
Don't delude yourself. Yoga is not science.
From Wikipedia:
Yoga (Sanskrit: योग Yoga, IPA: [joːgə]) is a group of ancient spiritual practices originating in India. As a general term in Hinduism[1] it has been defined as referring to "technologies or disciplines of asceticism and meditation which are thought to lead to spiritual experience and profound understanding or insight into the nature of existence."[2] Yoga is also intimately connected to the religious beliefs and practices of the other Indian religions.



From Answers.com:

The term yoga comes from a Sanskrit word which means yoke or union. Traditionally, yoga is a method joining the individual self with the Divine, Universal Spirit, or Cosmic Consciousness. Physical and mental exercises are designed to help achieve this goal, also called self-transcendence or enlightenment. On the physical level, yoga postures, called asanas, are designed to tone, strengthen, and align the body. These postures are performed to make the spine supple and healthy and to promote blood flow to all the organs, glands, and tissues, keeping all the bodily systems healthy. On the mental level, yoga uses breathing techniques (pranayama) and meditation (dyana) to quiet, clarify, and discipline the mind. However, experts are quick to point out that yoga is not a religion, but a way of living with health and peace of mind as its aims.
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By the way, I find it extremely interesting how different religions use "submissive postures" to reinforce their dogmatic beliefs. In other words, the human mind needs more than someone dispensing dogma at regular intervals, the actual positioning of human body in certain positions at certain times of the day somehow reaffirms and reinforces subliminally those dogmatic teachings. I think it has to do with the way we humans learn things.

For example Christians kneel:
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a muslim bows:
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a hindu sits in lotus position:
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Jews bow at wall:
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Sufi rotate around:
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Kecak Dance, Bali:
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By the way, I was aquinted with all these religious ceremonies in the stunning movie Baraka. A movie that features also songs by Dead Can Dance.

Click here for more images from Baraka.
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Nice post francisharmany. Ignore the haters.

Bingo - just FYI, gymnastics is nothing like yoga. I definitely recommend trying it before passing judgment.
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darkrezin wrote: Ignore the haters.
Why are you promoting ignorance?
Aren't gymnastics toning and strengthening your body? Aren't gymnastics "promoting the blood flow to all the organs, glands, and tissues, keeping all the bodily systems healthy"?
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Mmm... I suppose you could even be making music instead of trying to solve the mystery of life, I prefer just living it.I'm not a spiritual kinda guy.
Oh and I don't think anything was built, It just happened.
I'll just get my coat.......
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FrancisHarmany wrote:
hubird wrote:sure, and one opinion more :-D
but i like to emphasize the remarkable plusses, as it's unique in religion (?) history :-)
Yoga is NOT a religion, it never was, and it never will be.
therefor my question remark after 'relegion', to show the 'relegion' part wasn't meant to be the crux...
FrancisHarmany wrote:I can understand how you think this, but Yoga is a SCIENCE. It can be applied, results can be messured.
Are you saying Yoga is 'science' according to the definitions of todays science?
Then science should agree to it, but I doubt it does :-)
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