God is not great: How religion poisons everthing

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:09 pm

I should rephrase that. Atheism is about reality as we know it while religion is mostly fiction. I know that some people attempt to justify it by saying that it was never intended to be taken literally. That is bull. The bible was always intended to be the literal word of god which is pretty funny since there is no god to begin with.

Were the prophets crazy or liars? I used to think they were crazy but now I think it was more of a power grab. Take the Iraq war as an example. There were no weapons of mass destruction but lies about it allowed a lot of people to get fat pay checks and in the case of the president power or a feeling of power. Of course he fully expected a quick triumph. That was stupidity.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:22 pm

stardust wrote: You think you know more than the rest of the world.
And you dont.

Never claimed that.

stardust wrote: You think you own the truth.
And you dont.

I don't think, I know and we have the proof.
You claim you own the truth, but you don't offer any proof.

stardust wrote: You think you know your limits.
And you dont, because you still speak in extremes.

That's a subjective claim, the sort similar to 90% of your posts.

stardust wrote: You think you represent the savior of lifes and whatever
And you dont

Back to retarded claims.

stardust wrote: You think you can convince with rhetoric devices.
And you dont.

Fine. I'll give you this one. I'm not good bullshiter like yourself.
The 360 is yours.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:40 pm

What we determine is real, is based on observation and scientific evidence. We have to agree on god for it to be reality. We clearly do not agree on it. There is nothing wrong with fiction and fantasy as long as you know it is not real. The problem we atheists have with theists is that theists want to blur the lines between fiction and reality.

stardust wrote:Hmmm

Brain, how can you write....as we know it ?
reality as you know it would be correct.

Believing that you know your personal kind of reality does not inevitably lead to atheism but maybe to Determinism and Materialism.

You should be able to see as well that there is still no need for atheism coming from that reasoning.

Atheism is about an anti attitude to the religions.
For some reasons you guys have identified religion as the evil in this world and like to be against.

It is no cure to nothing, but your hate to religions.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:47 pm

BingoTheClowno wrote:
garyb wrote:sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "i'm right, i'm right, nyah, nyah, nyah" won't make it so. this thread is about christopher hitchens and his work. mr. hitchens is shown to be a demogogue. face it.

co2 in the atmosphere is a good thing. plants breathe it which gives us oxygen. the system is well designed, symbiotic.
What you "show" is not factual. Your delusions are.

oh really!?

then the article by hitchens that i posted where he is calling for the invasion of Iraq is just my fictional imagination?

you can hide your head in the sand, but old Chris is still a jerk.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:21 pm

You just hate Chris because he gave religion one straight in crotch.
Go ahead, show us what a childlike mentality you have.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:51 pm

are you denying that he called for the invasion of Iraq?
how do you account for the fact that he says wars are the result of religion and then Hitchens, as a secular atheist, calls for war against Sadaam, a secular atheist?
if wars are caused by religion, then why are atheists engaged in warfare?

hey pot, stop calling the kettle black. the ADULT thing would be to accept the truth and stop with the rhetoric. religion is a problem in many places, but using religion as a scapegoat is disingenuous. Christopher Hitchens is a demogogue and a bad example.

it's fine with me if you're an atheist. it's clear that you won't address the actual issue that i've addressed, because Mr Hitchens said what he said and wrote the articles calling for war that he wrote and you have considerable emotional commitment. there's no two ways around that and everyone can see it who has eyes to see.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:17 pm

I think theists in the USA should be feared because of their love of guns, aggression, dominance in society and insistence that everyone should be like them.

stardust wrote:Hmmm

Brain, how can you write....as we know it ?
reality as you know it would be correct.

Believing that you know your personal kind of reality does not inevitably lead to atheism but maybe to Determinism and Materialism.

You should be able to see as well that there is still no need for atheism coming from that reasoning.

Atheism is about an anti attitude to the religions.
For some reasons you guys have identified religion as the evil in this world and like to be against.

It is no cure to nothing, but your hate to religions.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:38 pm

atheists don't like guns?

i'm standing next to one who does right now!

braincell, you're pretty aggressive with your posting and seem to want everyone to be like you. who'll protect me from your scariness?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:19 pm

Name one mass murderer who is an atheist.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:35 pm

i already have.
mao. 40+million
stalin.20+million
polpot. 4+million

our freind Sadaam was also an atheist, secular leader.

all these guys believed in gun control.

the religious have no patent on mass murder. in fact, the religious leaders who called for mass murder never were believers in the religions they represented.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:11 pm

Oh really?

So what school or post office did they shoot up with semi-automatic machine guns and extra clips on their belts?

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:14 pm

non sequiter.

you're comparing mental patients on prozac whose rampages killed tens and had nothing to do with religion with true mass murderers of millions and millions who were avowed atheists? you are saying the guys i mentioned didn't commit mass murders that were well documented and that those guys weren't well documented atheists as well?

strange way of avoiding reality.......

those guys with rifles and clips killed what is a drop in the hat compared to the numbers killed in traffic accidents. these killings are more than tragic, especially personally to each family, whom my heart goes out to, but hardly an overwhelming problem considering just how many weapons are out there(stop prescribing prozac like it's candy and the biggest shootings don't even happen at all. EVERY single mass shooter since the first biggy at the mcdonalds to columbine to VT, was on seratonin uptake inhibitors). back to comparing autos, or better, prescription drugs or even gas heat in houses, you'll find a very small percentage of problems from all these weapons, relatively. there IS a lot of fear mongering though, acting like common people can't ever be trusted, unlike your average atheist communist military leader who is not doing his job if he doesn't kill at least 500,000.

ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE ATTEMPTS TO DRAW THE DISCUSSION OFF TOPIC, HOWEVER! the topic is christopher hitchens and his book and whether he's worth listening to. mr hitchens has pretty well shown that he is a hypocrite who blames religion for warmongering and then plays the warmonger himself.

i don't care if you are an atheist, that's your business.

Post by **Neil B** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:00 am

By 'eck, but this thing keeps running and running doesn't it?

I haven't got the time to keep reading every post in this and a couple of other "sort-of-related-topics" - I like to make use of my Scope card from time to time.

I keep trying to get to the bottom of this though.

I've read that religion has something to do with Hobgoblins:
There's a funny little man in my garden with a fishing rod and a red hat. I don't think he's a hobgoblin, I think he's a gnome, but hey, I'll worship him anyway

What rubbish!

Another post in a related thread (I think it was ManFriday) suggested that there was one person here who claimed to be a Christian.
If you meant me, then I don't claim to be one - I AM one. But I am not one of these American style Bible bashers that have things running along the bottom of the TV screen saying "Send me all your money".
Again, that disgusts me.

Braincell, again, in a related topic, seemed to back off and say that he was having a hard time with his family. So, is this his excuse for lashing out at the rest of the world?
Braincell, there are close friends and relationships that I have formed on this site over the years and a couple of those are a party to the problems that I have been going through in the last year. I do not blame the rest of the world for it though.

Braincell, remember one piece of wisdom:
When you point a finger at someone, there are 3 more pointing back at yourself from your own hand. Deal with those 3 and then look at the one you are pointing at others!

Another little saying that I read recently is that the best way to destroy your enemy is to make him your friend. Well, I neither consider you an enemy, nor wish you any wrong. I sympathise with you for the problems you are having, and although you are anti-theist, I will continue to pray, as I have daily, that you will get through these problems. Laugh or deal with it - that is my olive branch to you.

Perhaps we are all under a misconception though that you are male, American.
You may be a Swedish blonde female in America: Miss Inga Braincell

or you may be a Russian red haired female in America: Ivanta Braincell

(sorry, couldn't help it - a little demon entered my head)

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:32 am

How insightful Gary, yes! The church creates mental patients. That is *exactly* what I am saying.

valis · Post by **valis** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:05 am

Braincell, there hasn't been a 'The Church' since Martin Luther King (not Jr).

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:17 am

garyb wrote:i already have.
mao. 40+million
stalin.20+million
polpot. 4+million

our freind Sadaam was also an atheist, secular leader.

all these guys believed in gun control.

the religious have no patent on mass murder. in fact, the religious leaders who called for mass murder never were believers in the religions they represented.

Ignore this

And this:

manfriday · Post by **manfriday** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:20 am

Bingo you have a real talent for missing the point.
Is it natural or is it something you learned and cultivated over the years?

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:31 am

Your point was addressed many posts before this one. You and gafy and stardust denied vehemently everything braincell and I said. I'm not into pain so I'm not going to repeat what I said.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:18 am

I don't want to start a new thread so I'll dump the following in this one:

Livingston wrote: hmmm… the most “advanced” nation on the planet, earth year 2007 A.D.
Location: The Bookstore (place where written messages/images are exchanged for local currency)

the “men” forms of the beings seem interested in very similar things as the “women” forms of the creatures: images of young, fit, scantly clad females smiling into a modest breeze… it is as if the most primal instincts of the creatures – those revolving around sexual reproduction – have manifested into some sort of convoluted assemblage of imagery and text. and they never tire of it; they’re all drawn to it: every month another fleshy young female, another 10 ways to make him love you, another 8 hot tips on fixing this end or that… where will these interests lead the creatures? only time will tell.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:35 am

wow, this one got carried away

Strange thing is that you guys seem to be going round in circles argueing about practically nothing.

Everything garyb has said on this forum about what HE considers the 'truth' really IS has fallen into place for me. I now know exactly where he's coming from with all the posts he makes which 'sound' like conspiricy theories. I'm not saying I agree with garyb on everything he's said here, but I do know what he means when he suggests that you need to do some research & get a grip of the real problems. For example, the fact that trillions of people have been brainwashed by plagurised religeous stories, myths & ideologies isn't the biggest problem .... THE REAL problem is that many of the same dimwits walk down to the polling station & VOTE FOR A NAZI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!