Future sound of Guitar

maket · Post by **maket** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:53 pm

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Riddle: How it was made?

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 01, 2002 10:50 am

Ok, I bite. How WAS it made?
I am absolutely freaking out over this sound!
Vocoder?

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Jan 02, 2002 6:49 am

no attacks- I suspect maket uses bottleneck instead of plectrum to play the guitar here. There's some delay/chorus on the line too, I think.
maket?

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Wed Jan 02, 2002 7:25 am

My boss says it was made underwater...

I don't know what was the guitar treated with but I like it very much, Maket. Is it possible you send me it in .wav and I add some frills to it (say, a drum loop, a pad, a bass and so on), please?

I'm serious about that.

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Reborn · Post by **Reborn** » Thu Jan 03, 2002 3:44 am

On 2001-12-24 14:53, maket wrote:
This is guitar sound.
Riddle: How it was made?

Sounds like a bit of "Attacker" with some filtering and flange.

If the attacker wasn't used, then maybe slide was used.

It does sound very nice! Very reminiscent of William Orbit.

djody · Post by **djody** » Thu Jan 03, 2002 3:45 am

I think there is some Huicomb 2002 involved
a bit of masterverb et walla....

maket · Post by **maket** » Fri Jan 04, 2002 5:46 pm

Sorry guy's ,but no one guess how it was made.
I was reading Ethic...topic and what i realise:Programmers,Engeniers and Composers-all disapointed and dissatisfied by each other.
Offer barter: i'll say and explain how to make this kind of sounds,not only for guitar(and actually everyone have possibility to make this)for change on some of Pulsar devices.
In 2 words: my effort on your effort

John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 10:23 pm

Great sound! Congrats.. Where's the rest?

Sounds like these are not that mysterious. Start with an E-bow and throw in what you like, compression (always a good idea with 'bowed' sounds) delays, filtering, flanging, controlled feedback loops, and yes try it with a slide, etc usw.

maket · Post by **maket** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 11:07 pm

Sorry John,but not again.
Prompting: "fire kill fire"(as i told everyone can do it)
magic must be simple

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 1:33 am

Hi maket,sounds all like a Reverb with long EarlyReflections that are played reverse and have a long feedback,so your Guitar plays in the Background again and again, up and down.

maket · Post by **maket** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:04 pm

No Chris

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John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Thu Jan 31, 2002 11:09 pm

Well, just to make things clear, or perhaps underscore the obvious: Maket sits on the truth, and if we want to know it, for all practical matters we have to trust him. He does'nt need to tell the truth though. He can go 'close but no cigar' on us as long as he likes. We can't verify.

It might be a stratcopy left in the vicinity of a leaking microwave owen, or the sound of a vintage guitar dealer who Maket asked to valuate the guitar. Or perhaps he stuck a mike and a beat up psr keyboard in front of the vintage synth guru. Whatever!

It might be a total bluff, perhaps he thought: damn, I'm stumped about these sounds, so let's paste this clip from an old obscure Orbit 12" flipside into an internet forum and see what people say.

Interesting...

maket · Post by **maket** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 12:58 am

Well,i don't want tease ( but sure i do

)
But as i told this is riddle,so it's a game with rules:
if you want to know-let's change with ideas or something.When i discover this -i was amazed how easy and how resultative this!
At last i can say how it was made but it's a strange situation: devices cost money,
Pulsar too
ideas???nothing??? Sorry,not agree.
If you really need to know-let me feel it

John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:55 am

Ok, well I appreciate that you are backing off a bit, seems we can trade ideas instead of pulsar devices. Still, on the subject of the value of ideas/intellectual property, you know that can get quite out of hand as well. Look at africa, aids and the TRIPS agreement.

But ok, let's see, I have some nice resampling techniques I'll trade with you for this guitar trick. I'm so bloody curious. Drop me a mail.

..And WHAT do you mean by 'let me feel it' ??

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maket · Post by **maket** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 4:10 am

OK,John!That deal! I'll send you e-mail soon.
And you know...,i'm not first ,who come to this position.That only my answer to some people

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 6:51 am

Hey Maket! The only place that seems left is the Modular2, but you did not have it when you made this sound...right?

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 7:07 am

nice trick a friend who's doing a sound engineer course: if you want to know what effects have been used on a stereo recording, then route the signal to 2 mono channels, pan them xtreme right and left, and finally invert the phase of one channel. this way you can hear, i suppose, the effects used during mastering.
however, in this case, it might not work, depends on how the recordings were made i think.

ok, nice game, but i think this forum must be open to everyone, just as its information. music is not a race to be won. the last few months i have been collecting data to put in my brain and machine, and i hope that one day i can be of as much help as, let us say samplaire and air (my macmasters

) or subhuman. so, in short, try sharing knowledge. i've read lots of threads about 3rd party contributions, other platforms and their benefits and the growth of creamware, and everywhere i could read between the lines that we have such a good community feeling...
well sharing knowledge is a first step to making this thing happening.
cheers, good uncompromising music, maket.

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John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 9:14 am

--if you want to know what effects have been used on a stereo recording, invert the phase of one channel.--

Theoretically, what the channels have in common will be cancelled out. I can recommend behringer's edison processor, it does the above and a little more. I think the c-plugs superstereo does it as well. It's quite ok if you want to know a bit more about a mix.

Now for the important part..

--ok, nice game, but i think this forum must be open to everyone, just as its information. music is not a race to be won. --
and
-- i could read between the lines that we have such a good community feeling...
well sharing knowledge is a first step to making this thing happening.--

Could'nt agree more! I don't know what Maket is up to here. I do know that I am a sound fetischist...

I also know that people willingly share product knowledge and troubleshooting experiences. I have no problem with that and I participate in that way too. Just have'nt got a Pulsar yet. However, rarely you see people share production tips, mixing or treatment strategies - more or less artistical twists as the one in question here. Perhaps it's pathological, but people hang on to nuggets they've come across, at least for a while. Tin cups are different.

(Maket: that was a general statement about humanity as a whole, not directed at any specific person. Humanity as a whole includes myself, that is to say, I'm no different about nuggets)

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maket · Post by **maket** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:24 pm

Hey Maket! The only place that seems left is the Modular2, but you did not have it when you made this sound...right?
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Paul R. Martin
Yes i don't have it.Even if you want hint to me HOw then i sent Modular2 patches.Well i did it from other guy computer,who have it.
I want say more:I need it,but i'll not buy it in principal,becouse i bought pulsar1 with modular1 and i think that creamware must support customers with upgrade.Becouse it's a basic device for what i was pay when i bought pulsar.
And last words:i'm not pathology idiot to not give the answer in this game.You guys are win this game by your attention and tomorrow i'll give the answer.
Best all

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dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 3:36 pm

Sounds to me like Zarg's Rotor48
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