I need your help, all of you(for a music project)

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:09 am

Anybody else wnat to contribute?

Please?

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:16 am

Yes, what my girlfriend has to say? I didn´t understood it right, yet.
Sorry.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:48 am

Ton der Vorfahren.
There doesn't seem to be a translation for "ancestral". Can you think of a proper word?

Thanks

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:44 am

how about 'Stimme der Ahnen' ?

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:47 am

Ahnes Ton?

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:51 am

Angestammtes Wort?
Stimme der Vorfahren?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:31 am

'Ahnes Ton' would need an article like in
'des (this) Ahnens Ton' or
'eines (some) Ahnen Ton',

both phrases are very uncommon (so uncommon that I'm not even sure of the plural 's' in case 1) as the German 'Ton' in context with a person means the way something is pronounced (sharp, angry, happy, sad) and otherwise refers to the acoustic event of a sound (like from an instrument).
Since a passed person isn't capable of any of the aforementioned 'Stimme' (voice) would be preferred as it's often associated with 'sound' in general.

'Ahnen' (generally used in plural) is the oldfashioned, pathetic version, while 'Vorfahre(n)' is more modern and everyday use.
It depends on what "Ancestral sound" refers to or what you want to express.
A sound from the grave or the rememberence of an old tradion ...

cheers, Tom

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:17 am

Rememberance of old tradition is closer to the meaning of the poem.

Stimme is voice, right? I know Wort is Word.

Ich wünsche Wörter, die "ursprünglichen Ton" bedeuten.

This is really a lot of fun for me because I am learning a lot about the very diverse ways of thinking different cultures have. Different people have different meaning for the same words. For example, ukrainians don't have the adjective "ancestral" in their language( I had to settle for "sound of the ancestors").

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:59 am

Stimme is voice, right.

How about, Der Klang der Urahnen.

Urahnen is the comparative of Ahnen, or translated, remote ancestor.

dict.tu-chemnitz.de
is a good online english/german dictionary.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:28 am

AbstammungsTon looks promising... no?

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:04 pm

completely impossible - it would mean the sound that a heritage generates

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:35 pm

Hm, reading the poem again and again, I come to the conclusion that we thought too much on persons but it´s about the sound, the oldest sound isn´t it? Something between the sky and earth.

With that we go into the more ethno or esoterism way. Maybe we use the Sanskrit again, Om, etc.

When my thoughts are right, I can simply say:
Urklang or Urton

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:48 am

Ah, yes! That's it! You have written the perfect explanation, Chris.

I hope more of the Z can participate now

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:52 am

Bumping this one

No scandinavian takers?
Please?

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:06 pm

if i had a blimey norwegian word for ancestral then maybe

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:49 am

On 2006-02-21 19:06, piddi wrote:
if i had a blimey norwegian word for ancestral then maybe

slekts- ?

anen lyd?

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:30 am

Juat exchanged a couple of emails with Ken.

I have come to the realisation that ancestral could be a poetic way of saying ancient.

Perhaps "Ancient sound" will be easier to translate in you respective languages?

I'm still cheering Scandinavia on

katano · Post by **katano** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:21 am

I tried to translate it to swiss german (accent from berne)... i don't have a girlfriend, but i'll may find a girl who can speak it... here it is

Sünchronie, Mondliächt…
D’Müütä sägä, dass Termitä Stärnä sii,
dass s’Houz s’Schprachrohr isch und üs mit Gott verbindät.
Das isch dä Atäm vom Läbe, dä Ursound,
diä unsichtbar Verbindig zwüschä Ärdä und Himmu.

i'll will also ask my brothers girlfriend (spanish girl). she may could do the translation job bether than I, 'cause she is a spanish teacher and speaks at least 5 languages...

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:33 am

Thank a lot, Katano!

But I only need the phrase "Ancient sound" or "Ancestral sound", not the whole poem. SO I would only need "dä Ursound".

Can you get someone who speaks Romanche to do it as well?

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