cubase sx and elektra = problem

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:27 am

i bought an creamware elektra 2 weeks ago..and now finally i have gotten it to work. there are just some things that dont want to work just yet tho.. like playing wav/audio files in cubase. that wont work.. lots of crackle and pops all the time on the wav file. midi in doesnt work in cubase either.. good for me that i have an USB midi keyboard to use. even tho i really dont wqant to use USB, but now i have to.

all the other host seq. i use..see 2 elektra midi in.. and one of them works, but cubase just see one midi in, and that one dont work.

the main problem here is that i cant play audio files in cubase tho..that is a real annoying problem. otherwise the VSTi's work fine and the sound from elektra is reeeeeally great!

i have the 2.5 drivers
and a reinstalled winXP wich is audio optimized
512 DDR
Elite K7S5a mobo (cant really remember the name.. but its this standard and very common mobo yes)
AMD Athlon 1700+ XP

maybe these problems will dissapear when i get my 3.1 drivers ? i have ordered them for 2 weeks ago.. but havent recieved them yet.

pleeeeeeease help me out if you can, i will be most greateful!

- richard steffensen
http://www.richardsteffensen.com

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:50 am

hi rougie,

first you have to understand what are the differences between 'sequencer midi source' and 'luna/electra midi in'. Yourt Electra has got only one midi in so it can't have 2 of them (that's selfexplaining). you have to have at least one 'luna midi source' in your project to control your sequencer/synths via an external midi keyboard. Second: you have to ensure your card is properly synced: if you wan to record from the luna digital in you have to sync the card to the 'spdif clock' but then again if you want just to play previously recorded material to play back from the luna outs - you have to switch to internal sync... Your basic project should look like that: [Luna midi source]->[sequencer midi in]..... [sequencer midi out]->[luna midi out] to be able to use your midi. And: [Luna analog/digital out]->[asio dest].... [asio source]->[luna analog/dig out]. Perhaps I mixed names of the modules but I'm sure you'll find proper ones

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:02 am

well, first, i know the differences between luna midi in and seq midi in...i have connected them right. as far as i know.. i have connected them pretty much the same way as u descibed one should do.

i also understand that luna just got one midi in, but that doesnt explain why i see 2 midi in.. in the for example fruityloops, all the native instruments stand alone version and so on... in cubase i only see one, one that doesnt work, as said.

and regarding the sync u were talking about..hm.. dunno about that? why shall i sync? i just want to play imported audio in cubase. without all these crackle and pops and hacks..

the only thing i havent connected yet..is the asio dest.
i shall try this u wrote:

"[Luna analog/digital out]->[asio dest].... [asio source]->[luna analog/dig out]. "

thanks anyway,
- richard

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:23 am

if you just want to listen to your luna analog out without anything connected to your digital in you have to stay sync internal (that means the card synchronizes to its internal clock). All the digital equipment have to be synchronized to anything. general rule is: if you play your tunes from the card it should be set to internal sync while when you record anything (via digital in!!!) to your sequencer - the card should be synced to the incoming device (ie. DAT, CD player, synth with dig out etc).

With ASIO modules you can have less latency (ie. delay between the audio data is proceeded and played back). With satndard wave rivers it is pretty much - more than 30ms - it is like playing church organ - first you play your keyboard and after a while you can hear the results (I don't know what delay exactly but it depends on your machine I think) while with ASIO you can run at even 3ms latency (though it depends on your machine, too - I've got 4ms@44.1kHz on my Mac without problems).

About your midi - hmmm... I don't know...

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:56 am

the luna midi in is the hardware part, the midi port you see in fruityloop or cubase are exactly those sequencer source 1/2 and sequencer dest 1/2... These are virtuals ports. You can have as many as you need (or almost). The more you add sequencer src/dest in your sfp project, the more ports you'll see in fruityloop or cubase... These are use to control different synth, devices, automate mixers etc...

To play anything in cubase, you have to send your midi to cubase. And the way to do this is by the way of the 'sequencer dest' modules...

The 'sequencer src' modules are what you send FROM cubase... The port you'll select in cubase are equivalents to those.

So, let's say you have a sts3000 sampler, + 2 synth to control in sfp, plus you want to automate the mixer from cubase (record in midi movement made into the mixer, or effets contained into it), you would typicaly need 3 sequencer src/dest

seq src 1 -> channel 1 -> synth 1
seq src 1 -> channel 2 -> synth 2
seq src 2 -> all channels (sts is amulti) -> sts midi in
seq src 3 -> channel 1 -> your mixer (stm1632)

Then for sending knob or fader movements in cubase for recording them, send them back to their respective midi sequencer dest...

For synths, you need a midi merger, available from the midi menu.

Hope this helps....

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:26 pm

thank you all for listening and giving me response!

its just that, none of you answer my questions..hrm.. =/

i know what latanecy is.. i have been using ASIO for 4 years now so...

as said, i can play vsti's just fine..at 13ms 44khz. but when i import audio, and try to play that. just audio..nothing else.
it all goes crackle and pop... grr...
i have never had any problems what so ever with just playing regular audio files in cubase.. not with any card, so i find this very strange. i can play audio files outside cubase... just fine. even in other apps.

maybe it has to do with the sync, that i cant answer but for what i know, i use internal sync. i dont have any external gear plugged in my luna either, so i dont have to bother syncing with that.

well, if there is no answer to this, thanks anyways guys.

- richard

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:29 pm

and by the way, regarding my midi connections in my project.
i have them setted up like this:

elektra midi in source. -> seq dest.
seq. source -> elektra midi out.

- richard

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:38 pm

Then try a disk defrag...
Are you recording on the OS disk?

Or try giving a higher priority to Cubase...
It is obviously not the card, else, vsti also would crackles and pops... Are you DMA activated on hd controlers?

Have you gone thru optimisation tips in the tips&tricks forum?

You are using luna 2.5 driver in XP? These are BETA! Get the SFP upgrade, i can assure you it is totally worth it... You'll have better asio driver (more stable, lower latencies), access to a bunch of new free devices, etc...

Seriously, think about it, what the cards worth in $, the cost it would take to replace it eventually if you don't upgrade to newer software, compared to to 98euro to upgrade it...

Worth every cents for sure!

I bet you wouldn't have any troubles no more...

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steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:49 pm

yes, i have just reinstalled winXP and audio optimized it, after following a few tips and tricks in here.

but i also believe that these problems will dissapear in the 3.1 drivers... wich i had them!
but i HAVE ordered them..2 weeks ago now..havent recieved them yet tho.. =/

i tried a frinds 3.1 drivers a few days ago now.. and i downloaded the all keys file from "my page".. and tried to install them.. with no luch. i got as far as where i should put in the actication codes, and did that with the all keys file. and the codes for luna software and odular 2 got printed in. nothing else.. dont know if thats enough, probably.
well anyway, the Next button will not show, or i can see it..but its unpressable, if u get what i mean?
so i can go any further with the installation.

this was after i ordered 3.1 for myself.. i was just curious if it should work..but well well.. hope my own ones work when i get them tho.

i guess everything that i have problems with..will solve out as soon as get the bloody 3.1 drivers. hehe..