I want the old look back!

Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Wed May 29, 2002 12:42 pm

Topic says it all. Installed SFP today and was so lost I gave up after 30min. Not that you can do much in 30min, SFP being so slow. Seeing those wires run was just the strong point. Well, cannot have all I guess.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Wed May 29, 2002 12:46 pm

Install the old version...

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Wed May 29, 2002 12:56 pm

Read the manual, and look for "classic mode", "routing window" and "standard cursor".

Kim.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Wed May 29, 2002 3:52 pm

yes, i feel the same in first half hour, but i change my mind. most things what i didn't like in begining now are my favorites

Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Wed May 29, 2002 10:00 pm

If they had their server running like it should (and did in the time of 3.0) I would download it, but at 5kB/s and a 100% fail rate so far I gave up.

Found "classic" already and will look for the others.

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Thu May 30, 2002 4:35 am

You can download it from my mirror at http://www.cyberfarm.dk

Kim.

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Thu May 30, 2002 6:27 am

I was a bit lost at first too but I quickly came to like the Live Bar.

Although....

Frankly, I think the Live Bar is great for pulling up devices quickly from within 3DAT (or pick your poison) but as far as making routing connections there, forget it. Nothing will beat the routing window for making connections. I can't imagine anyone preferring the Live Bar for making connections between devices.

One thing I noticed that seems missing: the current project name on the top of the project window or Live Bar or somewhere. Am I missing it somewhere?

Another oddity that maybe I just haven't quite grasped the concept of....

SFP loads itself into memory at start up. Fine. Icon appears in the taskbar. Fine. But if you try to load SFP by clicking on a desktop icon, you get an error message. So, do I understand it that in order to view the project routing window and Live Bar in SFP you have to right-click on the taskbar icon and select "show"? What will happen if they (Creamware) ever get the 3DAT project sync function working again (or maybe this is why it doesn't work now)?

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subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu May 30, 2002 7:39 am

Logic never gives me any problems.

Yes, now instead of clicking on a shortcut to start Pulsar, you right click and "Show" in the tray - much quicker - so you can get right to work. The app is always running, no need to shut down the background project/application first like before. I really love that change, actually.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Thu May 30, 2002 8:14 am

On 2002-05-30 07:27, krizrox wrote:
I can't imagine anyone preferring the Live Bar for making connections between devices.

why not?
ok, i made def project in routhings window, but also i set auto midi/audio routhings. when is livebar over cubase i have feeling like i'm useing vst instruments. it's cool.

i use only dynamic mixers in all my new projects and i'm little disapointed because this automatic routhings won't work with dynamixer.
btw: i found that i don't need auxes in pulsars mixers because i send signal from cubase mixer with aux sends trough cubase's buses directly in pulsar's efekt.
i set everything almost like i'm useing xtc

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krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Thu May 30, 2002 12:14 pm

Ahhh - maybe this is the part of the equation I'm missing. I turned off the automated wiring thingy. It was driving me nuts with 3DAT. Well, anyway, I still can't imagine having to re-route or do anything serious from the Live Bar. Maybe it's just me. I need to see a picture

Getting back to the taskbar icon and SFP as background project....

I still don't get this. I'm assuming (maybe wrongly) that Creamware is going to fix this business with 3DAT where you click on the 3DAT icon to load 3DAT and it automatically loads SFP first and then 3DAT (so, in effect, the two programs load up together). Well, I don't know. And frankly, I'm so happy they finally fixed most of the other annoyances that I really don't see this issue as a problem at all. Let's just drop it for now.

And I realized the issue with the project name in SFP - it appears at the top of the Live Bar right? Strange that the file name doesn't automatically appear there when you load a project. I guess you have to physically type something in there before you save it, right?

Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Thu May 30, 2002 1:12 pm

OK, found those buttons now it looks like is should (to me).

Somethinge strange: if I select a hardware io from the menu, it inserts it directly. All the other things like FX, softio I have to drag to the routing window. Why the difference?

What sort of setup do you guys use? I always read about getting 10 masterverbs running. After 4 my humble pulsar gives up (all dps's >75%). And after having those 4 running for a couple of minutes "pci error".

But everything else seems fine.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu May 30, 2002 2:03 pm

You will probably never reach 10 masterverbs or more unless you have an Intel chipset (i815, i845, i850 etc). You also need enough DSPs (a little less than 1DSP per masterverb if I remember right).

3.1a I believe fixes the "drag" vs. "click" - I agree that it should be consistant and I think it is now... (didn't specifically remember to check that yet)

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Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Thu May 30, 2002 10:13 pm

Sub, read the words: "the DSP's are all >75% used" This has nothing to do with chipsets. Each masterverb eats about 75% of a dsp. With a couple io's and a mixer I have something like 80%, 95%, 93% and 78% use on the dsp's. No way you can get 10 masterverbs on a pulsarI. It cannot even sustain 4 of them without pci error.

And yes, the chipset is INTEL. An LX.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Fri May 31, 2002 8:40 am

Read again what I wrote: "You also need enough DSPs (a little less than 1DSP per masterverb if I remember right). " To be even more specific: to get 10 masterVerbs you need roughly 10 DSPs.

And again: "unless you have an Intel chipset (i815, i845, i850 etc). " Notice I didn't include the Intel chipsets greater than 3 years old.

So, I think your results are probably correct for a system with just 6 DSPs and an older Intel chipset. I'd say that is exactly the results I'd expect.

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Havoc · Post by **Havoc** » Fri May 31, 2002 8:53 am

4 dsp's to be correct, this is an original Pulsar. So 1 masterverb/dsp OK, no problem.