Logic or VST?

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Thu May 16, 2002 12:36 pm

After migrating to SFP 3.1, I figured, its about time to match the new CHAOS (CreamWare Hyper Audio Operating System) with a new HDR DAW. I've been using my trusty 'ol tripleDAT for the past 6 years and totally love working with it! But now that I've had my Pulsar II+ and the A16U I/O for a while now, I'd like to take advantage of the 24/96 processing specs.

I've been considering between Logic Plat 5 or VST32 5.1, or even the upcoming SX. I'd still use tripleDAT as my final CD Mastering suite though....

Leaning towards Logic...

What do y'all like about these DAWs?

Danke!

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Thu May 16, 2002 12:51 pm

I'd recomend you to go for Cubase, I love that platform, it's well supported, lots of third party pluggins, but despite of all that, it's VERY stable if you compare it with Logic (that's my own experience). Of course it depends on the Hardware you run it with. The new SX seems a new point of departure for all computer music software (it's going to support dual processors

).

Snoopy

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subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Thu May 16, 2002 1:24 pm

Actually for a tripleDat user, I would suggest you take a look at Nuendo... but who knows what Cubase SX will be like.

Lotuz · Post by **Lotuz** » Thu May 16, 2002 2:34 pm

Buy VST/32 now and get SX for free! That's two programs for the price of one, so you can choose which one you like best to work with. And if you have two computers you can connect them with the VST system link. VST/32 on one and SX on the other.

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Thu May 16, 2002 2:49 pm

Hey, Nuendo is very similar to triple! That's more of what I'm really looking for!

I never really considered that since VST and Logic are the more popular platforms being used.

Man! I wish CW would revamp triple altogether, maybe SuperDAT24 or something - new engine, new everything! That's what made Creamware's name in my town.

Fede · Post by **Fede** » Thu May 16, 2002 3:18 pm

imho Logic Plat 5.x. It's very great engine with THAT processing quality in mixing and those PLUGINS (something not reachable without Waves or dsp processing).
but maybe only imho

Fede

P.S.: then Logic fully supports VST standard and Asio...

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The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Thu May 16, 2002 6:05 pm

I stopped by a locale Guitar Centre on the way home from work. One of the guys there gave me a deal on Logic Plat 5 for $599!!!! Normally at $799 That's a steal! VST/32 5.1 is going for $579!!! I'll check their Nuendo setup at their other location... That, going for $1099! (basic software only)

Decisions, decisions....

Round1 · Post by **Round1** » Thu May 16, 2002 8:13 pm

As a Logic 5 user I'd obviously suggest it over Cubase as I prefer Logic, and have found it more stable. One thing that turned me off Cubase was the interface, I just find it too 'busy', and not as elegant in it's use of screensets. Also a strength of Logic is it's environment, a real MIDI powerhouse (once you get your head around it!) So as a songwriter I'd take Logic over Cubase.
I have seen Nuendo in action, and it seems to me to be closer to Pro Tools than either Cubase or Logic. It has some very nice features, would be great if you're considering working in surround formats, doing audio for video/film, or basically just working with audio and you only need (very) basic midi functions (again, this is akin to the later versions of Pro Tools).
Finally, you would be doing yourself a favour if you checked out Sonar. I know one studio owner that uses Logic for all of his clients, but uses Sonar for his personal stuff, claiming he can get ideas down quicker with Sonar! (Go figure....)
Whatever you chose, when combined with 24 bit Creamware SFP under the hood (= great quality & flexibility), you'll be able to achieve one thing.....great sounding music!

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Thu May 16, 2002 8:47 pm

Doesn't Sonar 2 still lack ASIO ? Without ASIO, Pulsar and Sonar are going to be a pretty unhappy couple....

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu May 16, 2002 8:57 pm

On 2002-05-16 21:13, Round1 wrote:
(...)
I have seen Nuendo in action, and it seems to me to be closer to Pro Tools than either Cubase or Logic.
(...)

Cubase SX will be a mix of the good stuff of Nuendo and Cubase

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 17, 2002 12:09 am

Try them both and go for the one you like the most!!!
Do you prefer red over blue.
There is no simple answer here.
Both Logic and Cubase is going to get you what you need but in slighly different ways.

BTW I've used Protools a lot and Nuendo some and i fail to see the similarities.The only program that is even close is Logic in my opinion.

Does it matter? NO!
Unless you'r like me and thinks that the Protools software is soooo superior to the others.

Sunshine · Post by **Sunshine** » Fri May 17, 2002 2:01 am

There is no "fast rewind/forward" in Nuendo..
That might disturb some users that come from Cubase world. Other than that, "midi" functions are very advanced in Cubase, but I was told that they are working on better "midi" support in Nuendo. So let´s see what happens... I´m looking forward to the new "audio engine" of Cubase. For me this deficit was not acceptable...

Nuendo will be more a Post-pro application in the future. You will probably see more sophisticated editing in addition to the ability to import the widest range of file formats and possibly Sonic Solutions EDL import capability as well. "Sequoia", "Sadie" and "Pyramix" are are totally geared to audio post. That´s the direction Nuendo will be heading...

There is a "client acceptance" issue whith Nuendo... when the phone rings many clients still ask me if I have Protools. I don´t have Protools, which doesn´t make it easier for me, but still a lot easier than whith Cubase (I hope things will change gradually whith SX). Sadly we are all also in this damn "image business" which has lost its objectivity a long time ago...

Regards,
Sunshine

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri May 17, 2002 4:44 am

The modular nature of the Logic Enviroment pages make it possible to do things you simply can not do in Cubase. I find Logic much more difficult to learn than Cubase.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Fri May 17, 2002 5:40 am

The nature of the Cubase make it possible to do things you simply can not do in Logic. I find Cubase much more difficult to learn than Logic.

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri May 17, 2002 5:46 am

I wouldn't call any of these programs difficult to learn. I would say it is difficult to RETAIN the knowledge about all their hidden aspects and power.

The ease comes with using the software.

I use Logic first of all because I have a friend who is a Beta tester for the program so I get great insight from him.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri May 17, 2002 5:50 am

The nature of Acid makes it possible to do things you simply can not do in Bloatware. I find Bloatware much more difficult to learn than Acid.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri May 17, 2002 6:08 am

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Fri May 17, 2002 9:40 am

On 2002-05-16 15:34, Lotuz wrote:
Buy VST/32 now and get SX for free!

I haven't heard about this deal. Is this a world-wide, special limited offer from Steinberg? That would be grande!

On 2002-05-17 03:01, Sunshine wrote:
Sadly we are all also in this damn "image business" which has lost its objectivity a long time ago...

True, I've been VERY happy with what I've got before acquiring a Pulsar II+ card. tripleDAT 3.06+tripleBOARDII was doing a perfect job for me, at least my clients were very satisfied of the sound I produced for them... I'm very coufourtable with triple's environment - very easy on the eyes, albeit somewhat a tired looking interface now, but, very effective nontheless!
But, I suppose, image (having a popular brand named gadgets, e.g. ProTools and the ilk) does sell, sadly...

What happened to the creativity, resourcefulness, and skills of the USER (producer)?! If one can produce killer sounds with a very limited amount of "toys", I believe that THAT defines what truly makes an awesome producer!

On 2002-05-16 21:13, Round1 wrote:
Whatever you chose, when combined with 24 bit Creamware SFP under the hood (= great quality & flexibility), you'll be able to achieve one thing.....great sounding music!

True enough, sir! That's why I went to Creamware's DSP hardware engine - the price/quality ratio is probably by far the best deal you can get out there! True, still some minutaes to be dealt with, with regards to some insignificant bugs, but... And, since I've been using tripleDAT since(Creamware's flagship back in the mid 90s), it was a natural step-up for me to upgrade to their DSP platform. I'm truly satisfied with the sound quality these fine DSP Pro-audio engine produces!

The bottom line:

I do get caught up with all the "number specs" game. Logic, VST, triple, Nuendo and whatever, are all fine audio instruments (tools) for making good music! All mentioned DAWs will suffice for any recording needs, each having their advantages and disadvantages...
Heck! I still enjoy using my trusty 11y.o. Dr.T's KCS Level II v3.56 sequencer running on my very stable 25MHz/6MB RAM/100MB SCSI HD Commodore Amiga 3000!!! True, today's standard KCS is old and lackluster on its presentation - but ROCK SOLID, a comprehensive event editor, and it does what I want it to do! That's the point.

Although, it does feel like Christmas opening up and smelling the "newness" of an unopened box! Then, installing (hopefully successful) the new software on your computer, then, starting it, seeing a brand new, unfamiliar colourful screen interface that packs so much power "under the hood" that compliments its superficial presentation. Once running, you test and utilise all the listed features hyped on the box! Titillating, isn't it?!

So.. I'm still obsessing with getting a new DAW....

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Lotuz · Post by **Lotuz** » Fri May 17, 2002 10:49 am

I haven't heard about this deal. Is this a world-wide, special limited offer from Steinberg? That would be grande!

It's in the FAQ and it also said the same thing on the SX upgrade order form I received from the Benelux distributor BMI. So you'd better contact your local distributor quickly.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri May 17, 2002 3:39 pm

Hey Z Station are you worried your girlfriend might read this thread ?