pc vs mac ...

rev · Post by **rev** » Wed Feb 06, 2002 8:39 am

After the recent meltdown of my pc, I'm wondering about the mac vs pc stuff...
Could a mac g4 733mhz, 768 Mb be faster than a pIII 933mhz 1088 Mb?
Any advice on this subject would be greatly welcome, not strictly about cw stuff on macs.

Of course, I'm talking about audio preformance, not about "doom" or "unreal".

Thanks

borg · Post by **borg** » Wed Feb 06, 2002 8:58 am

hi,

i work on a G3 450MHZ, 512MB and it works fine for me now.

last sunday, atomic was a guest in my home and had a little go with my system. next sunday, i'll have a look at the boy wonder's set up. probably he can evaluate this matter better than i will. according to him all seemed to work real nice...
how the speeds compare, imho in this case the mac will be faster, but i'm not sure about it.

maybe i can tell you more after sunday. it'll be the first time for me to see what pulsar is like on pc.

coc999 · Post by **coc999** » Wed Feb 06, 2002 11:49 am

hi,take a look here http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... orum=19&30
you will find some pc and mac configs.maybe usefull:)
For what you ask i really don't know

bye

castol · Post by **castol** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 4:22 am

rev,

regarding the g4 733 there are accounts of other people that the newer g4 chip in it actually has less on board cache and data throughput on it than the older g4 400-533 chips.

what this turns out to mean is that you can run about as many plugs on a g4 400 as on a g4 733...

least this is what i took from this message i came across on one of the mailinglists i'm on.

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Hi All,

Dave Marsden suggested the "e-verb test", so I have just set-up my G4 733,
clean but for DP and PCi324 + MTP AV USB. Left DP with defaults for memory.
Put in 35 audio tracks. Started adding a mono e-verb to each track, and "too
much processing attempted" reared up at 31 e-verbs. As Dave can get to 28 on
his G4/400, it looks like the rumours are true!!!
Damn - I was seduced by the DVD writer, but Apple still haven't supplied any
software with the machine to use it....... Unless there is something really
special about OS X, or MOTU know something, it looks like the G4 733 is only
marginally quicker than the Yikes models. Has to be the dual processor
route.....

Anybody else want me to test differently?
Colin Orr
JANUS

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just a grain of salt to consider. i don't know about pc -vs- mac. either is a good platform, pc's just require more thought going into the buying process.

//c

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 5:42 pm

Nooooooooo e-Verb test, do the MasterVerb SubTest!

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 10:33 am

He was testing the CPU speed so the Masterverb is'nt really valid, is it?

Air_PoLLo · Post by **Air_PoLLo** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 2:44 am

To go back to the original subject, I have 3 G4's and two PC's

The slowest G4 (400Mhz) runs more stuff than a PIII 1Ghz. (tests include Unreal Framerates) The Fastest G4 (867Mhz) I have let's me insert one auto-tune (v3) without even showing a single CPU usage in Logic audio's System Performance.

Ciao.

Castor said:
just a grain of salt to consider. i don't know about pc -vs- mac. either is a good platform

My reply: You haven't worked profecionally ever, have you?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Air_PoLLo on 2002-02-10 02:49 ]</font>

castol · Post by **castol** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 7:47 am

air polo (yeah, how do you like your nickname misspelled?):

i say that jokingly.

no i haven't ever worked "professionally". to me that seems like a stabbing remark, not one i take as kindly.

my last two statements were broad generalizations. i see that now. argh! i hate when those rear their ugly head.

anyway, i'm not bitter. could you explain what you mean by your reply?

//c

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:32 pm

On 2002-02-06 08:39, rev wrote:
Could a mac g4 733mhz, 768 Mb be faster than a pIII 933mhz 1088 Mb?

both CPUs are such different in working principles that it doesn't even make sense to compare them by clockrate. The speed of your apps is influenced also by compiler/optimisations used and of course the coding quality of the developers.
But take a close look at the latest Apple machines, if you're after high data throughput - 266 MB sustained isn't that bad

rev · Post by **rev** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:50 am

Thanks to everybody for your tips; they are being very helpful.
I got an additional question regarding a more specific problem: has anybody ever been able to open a PC logic audio file on Mac?
I'm trying to test a g4 400mhz 385 Mb with my PC logic files

Thanks again to everybody, pals!!

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:28 am

What is the problem?
I have a G4/400 and a PIII laptop connected with a 100 Mbit network.
There is no problem with opening files transfered from one computer to the other.
I must admit i have'nt transfered Logic files but all the other files work without a problem.

rev · Post by **rev** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:20 am

logic 4.8 (mac version) doesn't seem to recognize logic 4.8 pc files (you can't see them when opening from file>open), not even after modifying them with filetyper -in this case, it gives a lot of weird errors.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 3:36 pm

Display in Mac 'Open' Dialog is always related only to Mac files who have the filetype and creator info in the resource fork (the items you can modify with that tool). If a file has this info Logic (or any other app) assume that it's a Mac file specific to the version of the software running. The appropriate menu item would be 'Import...' (don't have Logic Mac).
Something like filetyper used on a PC file is always brute force in the true sense of the word: it forces the app to open the file. If it's smart enough it can handle this automatically. But there's no general rule for this. In Office I've even seen the same document (mail attachment) once opened correctly, next time not recognized at all.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:11 am

Ahhhh..... You don't open audio files with file>open.
It only open songs and only show appropriate files.
Thats why you don't see the wav.
You import them in the audio window.
apple-9 ctrl-f
I just did a test, where i made an audio file with Nuendo on the PC and transfered to the Mac and there was no problem whatsoever.

rev · Post by **rev** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:08 am

err... mainly the problem is that it doesn't open the .lso files, it is, the song files. I have no problems with wavs. It seems I'll have to try another way to test this g4...

Thanks!!

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:08 am

Hmmmm...

"open a PC logic audio file on Mac"

OK, a slight misunderstanding.
I'm sorry,can't help you with that one as i don't have Logic on the PC.
Try the file exchange menu
Apple menu>Control panels>file exchange.
add a .iso file and make Logic the default programs for those files.
Don't think that will work but it's worth a try.

rev · Post by **rev** » Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:20 am

I thought it could be some kinda problem like the ones sometimes you have when moving photoshop files from pc to mac, but it seems to be a translation problem (=no solution)