Good reasons not to buy Creamwares! read ! killer !

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:34 am

1. DSPs(60Mhz X3Luna x6Pulsar2 or X15Scope ) are slow compare to TCpowercore(2.8G) and UAV-1(1G)
@@@2.over priced@@@
3.the effect and synth quality not comparable
4.CPUs are getting fast and faster, P2 can't compare to P4.
~creamware hardware are still in P2 stage (3-4 years already)~
5.Software effects and synths are getting better and more stable, in other words, better sounding)
6.no I/O box
7.Drivers not fixed
8.uncompatable to many hardwares
9.totally bad support, no email back at all.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:43 am

Well sounds like you've got it all figured out. So how do you like your TC card? Considered leaving this forum and joining a TC Powercore forum?

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 10:58 am

Ah Ah !!!

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:57 am

Would you ship to Europe?

JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:04 pm

Huahaha! Now that´s a wise guy who wrote all this. Ok, support could be faster at times, and 60MHz is a fact, but this doesn´t mean it´s outdated, does it?

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Stubbe · Post by **Stubbe** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:38 pm

No, it doesn't.
Different technologies move at different paces, it's like compairing pears and apples, makes no sense.

The processor-speed has increased really fast in the last year, and this has resulted in bottlenecks has started to move to other parts of the computer. What's the big deal ?

BTW, am I the only one getting tired of people telling me that the soundquality of CW-stuff is bad ?

Stubbe

janow · Post by **janow** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:47 pm

Did anyone need a benchmark highscore to show someone how good selfmade music can be??

What's going on!

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:52 pm

many softwares effects sounds better than creamwares

before upgrade to v3.......... effects are totally a joke...........

and if u do listen to the effects from TCpowercore or UAV-1 ........ you will know...... the differences

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:03 pm

Well, I dunno about the quality... I've heard lots of nice outboard effects and other strange effects programmed in c-sound and MAX/MSP.. It's always the same story.. The point of knowing your equipment to its bones lets you do more with little. So personally, I don't think I care if it's a PowerCore or Pulsar or ProTools.. Whatever it is, you make it get the job done. Besides, lots of the time, quality is an illusion you create, and hardwired equipment don't think that way. That's why most of the quality is up to YOU.

JoeKa · Post by **JoeKa** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:07 pm

I do believe you, dxl, that Powercore provides better quality FX.
But are there any freeware FX downloadable for TC´s DSPboard? And how many different FX are there for it? Can it run any synths? Does it have any hardware I/Os? Is it´s routing-capability in any way comparable to CW´s concept? Is it possible to run Pulsar and TC´s board in the same machine? Which of the boards will communicate with more different softwares at one time then?

Just some questions that need to be considered, too.

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:07 pm

sounds like u want to give mercy to creamware
hey man, we pay for it, we want quality, not trying to be good with each other

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:13 pm

Hi Dxl,

What is it you're trying to do? You do realize that Powercore & UAD are entirely different concepts which work in only one specific way, and that comparing them is really pointless, right?

Even if Pulsar did nothing else besides I/O and routing, it would still be one of the only cards which allows you do freely route all your audio drivers. But then it adds DSPs, which work in real time (unlike any of the cards you mention), so you can actually mix any audio, effect it, and output it with zero latency. There really isn't anything this side of $4000 which does that (besides maybe dedicated, outboard kit). There are also excellent plugins that do compare favorably with the cards you mention, eg: the TimeWorks bundle, EarlyFirst reverbs, etc. Even masterVerb is good, but you're right, the PowerCore's reverb is really, really nice.

If you need something let us know - otherwise, if the card isn't right for you, sell it, and leave.

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:16 pm

i don't like how sound tc reverb, don't like how sounds timeworks... i like how sounds waves! i like cw's reverb sound much then tc

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:34 pm

Hey DX are you getting tired of slagging off CW yet ? Why not go and make some music with your great new system ?

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:38 pm

It's kind of wierd to think that some (maybe dxl, maybe even others) rely so much on the so-called "quality" of effects... like reverbs, some people practically LIVE on it. I'd still say a well composed song could live with very little seasoning, or even without any heavy effects.. But in reality, I do use alot of heavy effects to hide bad harmonies and excessively use them just to beef things up so who am I to say. hehe.

Sometimes the effects are at the core of the composition right? So I'd understand dxl's concern about the quality of the effects. Who knows? Powercore's effects might be super fine.. Why not get 'em all? hehe.. In my dreams!

witchstar · Post by **witchstar** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 5:46 pm

Chew on this, DXL:
What speed do Pro Tools Mix cards' DSP's run at? 40mhz!

Now is that really an issue?
I know you're not gonna try to tell me that Pro Tools sucks!

Mark

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 8:03 pm

dxl - do us all a favor and give me your board - obviously, you do not know what it is good for

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:08 am

On 2002-01-27 17:46, witchstar wrote:
Chew on this, DXL:
What speed do Pro Tools Mix cards' DSP's run at? 40mhz!

Now is that really an issue?
I know you're not gonna try to tell me that Pro Tools sucks!

Mark

yes their hardwares are way overpriced
i know lots studio using it, even in many school, but a 7000USD card can use 4~5 effects.............
but their softwares and their quality effects, creamware can't even VS them
oh and didn't Protools just upgraded their DSP card?

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:12 am

On 2002-01-27 20:03, algorhythm wrote:
dxl - do us all a favor and give me your board - obviously, you do not know what it is good for

it's it a good card
but the price is way too much...... for me a high school kid ( i can get a 85's car if i not getting this) ....... isn't that powerful as i thought so.shiii

lots bugs....... they don't want to solve because they want you get new softwares... so they can get more money,...... bad support..... so they can have time make their own music

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:19 am

Yes DX you're right! Fool that I am I never saw it before ! They DO put out buggy software just so you'll think: "Oh, I'll go and buy their new software instead." They're so cunning.

And the support issue, well everyone knows that. They have a full support area full of staff but they're always skipping off to their home studios PRETENDING to work but really making music themselves (but not using the software which they've deliberately made with bugs).

Thanks for making everything so clear. Oh those devillishly clever Germans !