Cubase Rules ?!? Logic Rocks?!? HELP!!!

dblbass · Post by **dblbass** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 7:17 pm

Okay, mates, please no religious proclamations. I'm just looking for useful input here. Clearly these are both great programmes, each with own strengths as well as quirks and flaws.

I'm a VST/32 user, curious whether Logic might be better for me. Can't find a demo to download, and would like advice before I try.

I've heard it said that Cubase is suited for musicians who use computers and Logic is for computer people who do music. Suspect this is a bit simplistic and unfair, but may hint at an essential distinction between the 2. I consider myself a musician who is also very computer/software literate and LOGICAL. My biggest gripe with Cubase are that controlling it is often not intuitive to me, its interface design seems often ill-LOGICAL. Most common criticism I've heard of Logic is its learning curve, which doesn't worry me.

So, who among us who knows both can offer reasoned comparisons, to help me understand what are the real differences?

Of course, a lot depends on intended use. FWIW, Pulsar and STS sampler is the core around which I work. I do mainly composition and orchestration, using some synths (Pulsar and VTSi) but mainly samples of real instruments. I have NO outboard gear other than a kybd MIDI controller, a little analogue mixer for I/O monitoring, and a small tube pre and a couple of decent mics. Most projects start heavy with MIDI tracks driving samples, plus occasionally some audio, tracked in almost always 1-at-a-time (me only!!). Bouncing between Notation-MIDI is important to me, as is powerful, intuitive editing in variety of views/modes. At some point in a mature project I eventually render MIDI tracks to audio (and I hate wrestling with timing hassles here) and do some mixdown and amatuerish mastering-like work here. But to be clear, the main product for me is more the composition and eventually the charts (notation); the finished audio product is more of mockup. (This could change if I ever get to try selling stuff for film or whatever) - for now, this is mainly DIY amusement, and a composition tool to do charts for real bands and orchestras I play in.

So. Is Logic potentially a better tool for me?

Thanks for any advice.

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dblbass · Post by **dblbass** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:07 pm

bump

funny, no replies.

I'd have thought I'd be flooded with opinions on this one. anybody willing to offer a summary of the diffs/similarities.

Anybody know a link where I can find same. I've done some searching, and found mostly breathless rants, but little calm analysis.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 9:18 pm

i don't know that it really matters.(aren't all these sequencers basically the same?)o use logic and can say that it definitely will work well for you. i suspect that deciding between logic and cubase(for you)requires obtaining the program and using it for 6-12 months.(maybe a week would do....) i know that sounds impractical(it probably is) but when the judgement is so subjective,to hell with others' opinions.....

as they say,"just a thought."
i'm really looking forward to logic 5.0

dblbass · Post by **dblbass** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:13 pm

fair point, thought I'd love to hear more.

maybe I should just stick to cubase, and give Logic a whirl after 5.0 is out. (although since I don't mess with warez, and haven't seen e-magic doing demos, that a pricey "look-see") What major improvements are anticipated with 5.0?

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 9:50 am

Logic Platinum 5 Key Feature Overview *

New Automation

All-new, ultra-high 32 Bit resolution, track-based automation engine
Automation of virtually all parameters including effect plugs-ins and audio instruments
Automation independent of sequencer record status and track selection
Standard automation modes such as read, write, touch and latch
Automated parameters are displayed with full names and values
Color-coded automation data displayed directly in Arrange window as envelope with nodes (anchor points)
Automation data can be freely drawn, edited and scaled between nodes in various curves, including convex, concave, s-form or linear
Automation data, entire sections, and nodes, can be moved or copied with corresponding audio data, or independently
Powerful multifunction tool to graphically edit automation envelopes at various zoom levels

New Logic Control Support

All mixer functions and hundreds of parameters in Logic Platinum 5 can be accessed and controlled via the new, optional Logic Control hardware control system. In addition to mixer functions, transport and navigation, plug-ins, software instruments, and much more, can be controlled and edited using the unsurpassed, expandable, hands-on access of Logic Control. See the separate Logic Control section for more details.

Score Editor Enhancements

Multi Page View automatically adjusts to fit the current screen size with respect to selected zoom levels
Ability to colour notes reflecting velocity, pitch and voice assignment
Generation of notation from aliases

New Plug-Ins for Mastering and Sound Design

MultiBand Compressor
Stereo Spread
Denoiser
Exciter
Limiter
Adaptiver Limiter
DeEsser
Phase Distortion
Clip Distortion
SubBass
Tremolo

New Integrated Software Synthesizers

Emagic Synthesizer — Mono
Emagic Synthesizer — Poly
Emagic Synthesizer — Ensemble

These are punchy, easy to use, analog-style synthesizers based on Emagic's own renowned synthesizer technology. All are optimized for specific types of sounds, and operate at exceptionally low processor loads.

Audio Functionality Enhancements

32 Bit fader resolution
High-end Dithering with POW-r algorithm
Support for 24 Bit/96 kHz audio hardware throughout the Logic 5 Series
The enhanced audio engine allows up to 192 stereo tracks using multiple audio hardware and up to 96 stereo tracks using single audio hardware
Up to 32 audio instruments
Sidechain capability for effect plug-ins and instruments
Hardware-independent audio scrubbing
Support for the optional new ES2 and EVOC20
TDM support optimizations

Sequencing Enhancements

Onscreen piano keyboard, for extremely fast step-time note input from the computer keyboard or mouse. Notes can also be played in realtime.
Optimized HyperDraw
Parameters of effect plug-ins and software instruments can be addressed via a virtually unlimited number of MIDI controllers

Global Enhancements

New extended online Help system
Extensive user interface enhancements to optimize workflow and productivity
Optimized internal engines to ensure peak performance on specific processor-types and operating systems

New File Format Support

REX2.0 support, to import Propellerhead Software's REX2.0 format files directly into the Arrange window or EXS24
Support of Digidesign's OMF file format

Cross-Platform Development Strategy

Logic Platinum 5 fully conforms to Emagic's cross-platform development strategy in that, where applicable, the identical feature set is available simultaneously on all operating systems currently supported.
Operations systems supported by Logic Platinum 5 include:

Mac OS 9.1 or higher
Mac OS X in development
Windows 98 SE, Me
Windows 2000
Windows XP

http://www.emagic.de/english/products/l ... ntrol.html

Andre2you · Post by **Andre2you** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 1:14 pm

I'm a computer Guy who writes music and has used Cubase and Logic. For me, I chose Logic after starting with Cakewalk, Logic and then Cubase (I tried Cubase because Logic was so dammed hard to learn). I use a number of midi synths and using Cubase to control the seemed a pain to use. Cubase at that time crashed a lot and logic was more stable. Once I became familuar with Logic's enviroment controling synths and modules was just easier. So, using midi for me was simpler and it didn't hurt that there were environments written for the equipment I own. Now I must admit Cubase handled audio better and maybe still does but I still like the look and feel of Logic. I have several friends who work with Logic and love it others use Cubase and love it. (I think the latest versions of Logic have caught up with Cubase audio wise). If you are into fancy Graphics then that's where Cubase shines (Logic is nowhere new that stylish).Really it's all up to the way you work, if you use mostly Midi then Logic is the way to go if you use mostly audio the maybe Cubase is the winner (IMHO). You might have to just take the plunge, buy Logic cause you will need the manual and try it give it some time to get the feel. (I rushed it and spent money on Cubase cause I thought is was easier, some parts were some weren't) In all actuality I'm glad I have all three because if I had not I would have not bought Samplitude 2496 (Now that's the program for audio recording, but that's another story).

Air_PoLLo · Post by **Air_PoLLo** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 3:31 pm

Take any popstar and ask the producers about their sequenser, They'll all say: LOGIC.... ehehe and mac...

ehehe

Go Logic man.

Air_PoLLo , 10years with Cubase

heheh now more Logical

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:19 pm

I've had a couple of hours with logic at my friend's and this Mac guru at work uses Cubase..
So I've used them both 30hrs+...
I'd say logic's interface is MUCH more illogical but once you start getting the hang of it, iss cool. You can get righ down to what you want to do.
Cubase on the other hand, had an easier learning curve but in the end, it was hard to get down to specifics... like hunting down details that were hidden all over the interface and the menus..
Oh well, I guess anything's cool once you learn it.. (bad conclusion)

Analog_Dude2000 · Post by **Analog_Dude2000** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 5:22 pm

What about the "Beatles"...?
What do you think they used,
Logic or Cubase...?

See my point...?
It doesn't realy meeter what you
use, it is more about what you
get from it...

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 6:26 pm

oh... that was a good laugh.. the moment I looked, I saw "Beatles" and I was like... wtf?? Is it some sort of new software????
But yeah, he's got a point. lol

Air_PoLLo · Post by **Air_PoLLo** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:05 pm

I hate how the beatles sounds...
Putting the gtr all the way to the left and at the same time having the bass on the opposite side is really lame. I'm sure they would at least have used surround if they'd used logic or VST instead...

Post by **garyb** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 12:26 am

then they would have sounded REALLY shitty....................

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 1:31 pm

You are right both have pro,s and cons

emagic seem to be dragging there heals with certain things, main thing being seperate outs and multi timbrality on audio/vst instruments.

I used cubase for many years, but even with the above mentioned missing
(for at least the next 2 months)
Logic is way better to use in every aspect
and I cant go back now..

so far the only thing I see cubase
users use against Logic is the above missing features.

So my weapon of choice is Logic Platinum.

On 2001-11-11 19:17, dblbass wrote:
Okay, mates, please no religious proclamations. I'm just looking for useful input here. Clearly these are both great programmes, each with own strengths as well as quirks and flaws.

I'm a VST/32 user, curious whether Logic might be better for me. Can't find a demo to download, and would like advice before I try.

I've heard it said that Cubase is suited for musicians who use computers and Logic is for computer people who do music. Suspect this is a bit simplistic and unfair, but may hint at an essential distinction between the 2. I consider myself a musician who is also very computer/software literate and LOGICAL. My biggest gripe with Cubase are that controlling it is often not intuitive to me, its interface design seems often ill-LOGICAL. Most common criticism I've heard of Logic is its learning curve, which doesn't worry me.

So, who among us who knows both can offer reasoned comparisons, to help me understand what are the real differences?

Of course, a lot depends on intended use. FWIW, Pulsar and STS sampler is the core around which I work. I do mainly composition and orchestration, using some synths (Pulsar and VTSi) but mainly samples of real instruments. I have NO outboard gear other than a kybd MIDI controller, a little analogue mixer for I/O monitoring, and a small tube pre and a couple of decent mics. Most projects start heavy with MIDI tracks driving samples, plus occasionally some audio, tracked in almost always 1-at-a-time (me only!!). Bouncing between Notation-MIDI is important to me, as is powerful, intuitive editing in variety of views/modes. At some point in a mature project I eventually render MIDI tracks to audio (and I hate wrestling with timing hassles here) and do some mixdown and amatuerish mastering-like work here. But to be clear, the main product for me is more the composition and eventually the charts (notation); the finished audio product is more of mockup. (This could change if I ever get to try selling stuff for film or whatever) - for now, this is mainly DIY amusement, and a composition tool to do charts for real bands and orchestras I play in.

So. Is Logic potentially a better tool for me?

Thanks for any advice.

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