ProTone Appreciation Thread

[faxinadu]

who is with me in saying this is the best synth on the platform? fantastic everything, responsive, musical, big, cuts the mix, great knob feel/scaling, great wide as fuck filter, glide is delicious, everything just "works". the perfect lead synth. i would take this over a lot of hw, and to me it sounds way better than for example minimax. go pro tone!

[tlaskows]

Yes, it's a nice synth.

If you like it, you should check out Pro One and Pro Wave from John Bowen (Zarg).

-Tom

[dante]

Yeah I discovered it only last year. http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_25/pro_mast.htm

Could do with a bit more content if you tell us your favourite sounds and hints.

[jksuperstar]

I love the proWave modular version . It takes the proTone, adds wavetable options, filter selection, and rd modules. Then adds modular connections for expansion.

[tlaskows]

I had no idea that you can use Pro Wave in Modular! That's awesome!

-Tom

[yayajohn]

+1 ProWave in Modular rocks!

ProTone is one of the only synths I don't have....hmmm

I'm thinking it's about time I buy Flexor3 though...

[tlaskows]

Hmm, Flexor does look nice, but I'm not much into modular (although I understand the basics of synthesis, I used to build analog synths ...). I already have the Modular 4, haven't dug into it yet though. ProTone is nice, but it Think Pro One from Zarg is better if you're buying... Both were designed with help from John Bowen.

-Tom

[jksuperstar]

Through two fortunate bundles, I picked up both pro-one and the protone. They both have great strengths, one has a selectable filter, other has a sequencer. Both are decent mono synths for bass. I'm holding out for a true minotaur emulation, though

[tlaskows]

I wonder if they could emulate a Jupiter 6. I used to have one and it sounded pretty nice, although pretty limited in the sound palette. Do you think it's possible to do this with the Modular? They go for insane prices on ebay. I sold mine for 1200$

-Tom

[Bud Weiser]

Through two fortunate bundles, I picked up both pro-one and the protone. They both have great strengths, one has a selectable filter, other has a sequencer. Both are decent mono synths for bass. I'm holding out for a true minotaur emulation, though

ProTone & ProOne,- both great sounding mono synths ...

MOOG Minitaur ... small formfactor recreation of the MOOG Taurus 1 and derivate from MOOG Taurus III ...

For a SCOPE device doing what a MOOG Taurus 1 and/or Minitaur does, basicly and in opposite to the common MOOG voltage controlled OSCs, you´d need emulation of V/Hz Oscillators which keep OSC-frequ-beating constant over the key range.
This is what makes every bass-note coming from these synths massive and stable w/o unwanted phase cancellation like you´d get from a Minimoog D when using more than 1 OSC.
By nature, you´d need a MOOG ladder filter too, but not only this because the original Taurus 1 and Minitaur have special MOOG ladder filters w/ some bass boost circuitry in addition.

MOOG Taurus as well as Minitaur come w/ limited key ranges, so not usable for leads unfortunately,- but the new MOOG SUB37 comes w/ the same technology and much more to cover a much broader sound pallette.

Would be great to get such special bass synth for SCOPE though !

Bud

[Mr Arkadin]

Would be great to get such special bass synth for SCOPE though !

I'm OK, I have a set of Taurus 3 pedals.

[Bud Weiser]

I'm OK, I have a set of Taurus 3 pedals.

Cool !

I WAS o.k. because I HAD a Taurus 1 pedal in a pro ATA flightcase.
Then one day end 80s, I sold it insanely cheap to a backline rental, just because it had no MIDI ...

Those were the days when I lost a lot of cool gear for cheap which today is worth thousands of EUR a piece @ebay,- just only because "digital" became king of the hill.

Bud

[tlaskows]

I hear you Bud Weiser...

But now we have Scope with many great sounding synths!!! Honestly, some of them are a lot more flexible and sound better than my Jupiter did

-Tom

[Bud Weiser]

I hear you Bud Weiser...

But now we have Scope with many great sounding synths!!! Honestly, some of them are a lot more flexible and sound better than my Jupiter did

-Tom

I like the Creamware/Sonic Core SCOPE synths as well as the ZARGs,- soundwise ...
But like w/ all software, there are bugs,- some GUI, some MIDI- CC and preset management related or they are so DSP hungry, a single synth kills the power of XITE-1 like ZARG Solaris v5 and Quantum Wave demanding countless communication channels when maxing out polyphony where "maxing out" means 3 voices,- which is a joke today.
Missing total recall incl. perfect MIDI CC assignment of a SCOPE project makes it almost unusable for live performances unless you have the occasion and time to set up missing CCs manually once SCOPE is up and running and each day you have a gig. (I still hope for SCOPE 6 comming "soon") ...

AND,- you will never find any MIDI controller out there giving you the haptics of multiples of the real piece of hardware, the way it´s keys connect to the sound engine and so on.

It´s true you get the sound of a SCI Prophet 5, Pro One, ARP Odyssey and others out of SCOPE and Minimax comes very close to a Minimoog D (not in all cases though),- but you´ll never PLAY the real thing because you have a good emulation and GUI on a screen.

I´ll never give up all my hardware for plugins, even good plugins work very well in recording/mixing scenarios.

Playing real hardware is a different experience and even controlling MIDI devices using real hardware-MIDI-controllers is a frustrating compromise very often.

So, my "compromise" is having a good mix of real hardware instruments and FX as well as good software devices in my arsenal.
SCOPE PCI and XITE-1 are in that arsenal,- and then I use what works best for the hopefully creative moment.



Bud

[tlaskows]

Yep, you still need some hardware. I have to agree. I have a Korg M3 as my controller keyboard, and Yamaha Vl7 for those realistic acoustic sounds. I don't think I'll be getting rid of those two...

-Tom

[faxinadu]

other than selectable filters, is there a difference in tone between the cw pro and the bowen pro? if i have one, will i want the other 150e badly enough?

[Bud Weiser]

other than selectable filters, is there a difference in tone between the cw pro and the bowen pro? if i have one, will i want the other 150e badly enough?

I don´t think so.
S|C ProTone is a ProOne made for Sonic Core.
There are minor differences like arpeggiator/step sequencer already mentioned in this thread.

S|C ProTone, as a monophonic synth, nails the sound of a Sequential Circuits Pro One already and like Profit-5 does in regards of a Prophet 5 rev3.
Have in mind, the hardware SCI-Pro One was released after all the releases of Prophet-5 revisions and it is only 1 voice of a stock Prophet-5 rev3.

But,- when you want the sound of a Prophet 5 rev 1 & 2,- you´d buy ZARG ProWave v1.2.1 http://www.zargmusic.com/prowave.html and before you buy ProOne v3.0.
You nail it monophonic w/ ProOne too, but w/ ProWave, you get it polyphonic plus lots of extra features.

I have ´em all because they came bundled, but in fact you´d only need ZARG ProWave 1.2.1 and get all the sonic differences from the Prophet-5 and Pro One series of synths.

OTOH, I like to have Profit-5 in addition to ProWave because Profit-5 behaves smoother and sometimes also faster when changing patches.
As always w/ Zarg synths,- loading not only patch data but also different modules used for different patches results in slower behaviour and some "path" issues,- depending on where your modules are stored and when using 3rd party patches. Random audio artefacts might happen occasionally too and while offloading DSP(s) and loading new modules before a new patch is audible.

That´s for me on XITE-1 and w/ my computer though.

Bud

[faxinadu]

lots of protone here ---->

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4fnff7 ... e=youtu.be

[dante]

Good track - sounds like a modernised Tangerine Dream, gives me ideas.

Love the Dolmio wifi killing pepper shaker too lol !

[dante]

Added here - hope that's ok. Plus 'Dots On Maps' deserves a plug.

http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_25/pro_mast.htm

Dangling Thread - great track !

proTone is my go-to for synth leads and bass at the moment and now I'm inspired to try a tangerine-ish trance track...