Will we ever see mac-support on scope again?

[petal]

One of the biggest selling points of Scope has always been the sound, the routing window (flexibility) and the modular synth.

Modular synthesis is becomming a big thing these days. Most electronic musicians I know are getting into it.

I have been part of arranging over 100 shows with electronic music over the years. 95% of all electronic musicians perform their music from a mac computer.

A mac laptop, an XITE and a midi controller fits nicely into a cabin trunk and would be the coolest thing to tour with, they all use an external soundcard anyway.

Yesterday I did a show with Arovane. He was perfectly aware of the sound quality that Scope offers, but alas, no support for mac.

How scope support for mac cannot be the most important thing for soniccore is beyond my understanding.

Please explain to me why Scope doesn't offer mac support?

[dante]

The simplest answer (guess) would be R&D costs.

There is considerable knowledgebase regards bootcamped-XITE here :

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=33237

What would native Mac support give you over bootcamp ? Just curious as a non Mac user knowing nothing about Mac.

[petal]

Mac support would open a pretty big market share to pay for those R&D costs.

The reason most musicians choose apple is because it's easier to understand for non-techy people and OSX is rumoured to be more stable. Bootcamp would reintroduce all the problems and even more than those they are trying to avoid in the first place.

And last: they (the musicians) want a mac - it's as simple as that. No argument, even the one about sound quality, is ever gonna convince them otherwise.

[dante]

Fair enough. I'm sure SC have crunched the numbers, so whatever will be will be.

[Bud Weiser]

Please explain to me why Scope doesn't offer mac support?

Well, it´s not the reason, but it´s interesting Mac OSX "Mavericks" and "Yosemite" refuse to recognize PCI express slots in MBPs.
Comes up in this thread here http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthread ... ost2635394 discussing a NI Kontakt 5.3 and UAD issue.

Even it´s true many of the creative use Mac, I don´t see the grass is greener over there.
You might have to pay much more often for software- and hardware upgrades when using Mac computers than using PCs,- and today you can build dream-PCs for the fraction of the price of a Mac Pro.

Since Mac is "Intel-Mac" the hardware is very, very similar to PCs, otherwise it wouldn´t be possible to install Windows on a Mac and when you buy a quality audio/MIDI laptop p.ex. form ADK Pro Audio, the Macbook isn´t a better computer.

Bud

[petal]

This is not a discussion about whether apple is better than windows or the other way around.

I'm simply trying to understand why Sonicore is "avoding" a key market for their own product?

[Bud Weiser]

This is not a discussion about whether apple is better than windows or the other way around.

I'm simply trying to understand why Sonicore is "avoding" a key market for their own product?

It´s not a key market because it isn´t true most musicians use Macs.
The only DAW applications urgently needing a Mac computer are Garage Band and Apple Logic Pro,- all the others run cross-platform, even Protools does.
Apple Logic Pro isn´t the most used DAW application.
When you say "the creative world" uses Mac,- that´s partially true, but includes graphics design companies, print media publishing, broadcast and TV companies as well.

I had a more detailled answer before, but lost it when pushed "submit" and had to log in again.
Now I lost intention to re-type.

Me personally, I give a s##t on if it´s Mac or PC or Win or OS X.
I have all kind of computers and OS here,- Mac and PC,- even retro machines like ATARI.

Most amateur and semi-pro musicians use PC because they prefer to build their computer themselves.
When you want to sell hardware, you must sell to the masses and the masses of musicians are amateurs and semi pros.

How many Mac users will buy XITE-1 and SCOPE 6 when OS X compatible,- please tell.

Bud

[Bud Weiser]

This is not a discussion about whether apple is better than windows or the other way around.

I don´t recognize I compared it that way.
You can´t anyway because Apple is mainly a hardware company while Microsoft is a software company.
Windows is an OS and Apple is not, OS X is.

So your line above is BS.

Bud

[petal]

Even it´s true many of the creative use Mac, I don´t see the grass is greener over there.

Bud

I'm not pro Apple at all - I do run my windows pc stationary computer to be able to use Scope (which I did build myself) and I am an amateur.
Having both (I'm also a laptop windows man for many years), I do prefer my mac book pro regardless.

But I do try to figure out how my heroes of music do their magic. If I find out they use Scope because of sound quality, Flexibilty and the greatest modular system known to man, I will become curious.

My point is that I'm not having a problem with Scope being Windows only - However, many musicians do!

Don't underestimate the power of how fame works when it comes to promotion.

[hubird]

Agree to your last point
And OSX support should be available.
But if S/C can't even attract enough new X-ite/Scope Winows users then it would be an adventure to push mony into OSX support (for X-ite indeed).
I'm sure there's no room for it, not now and not in the next future (not soon).
The invitation to the modular users to participate in something (beta testing? or more minor?) doesn't help also to think something deviating is coming, like a crowd sourcing project for whatever, an UAD-like Scope card, a Scope controller, or even OSX.

I forgot about OSX already long time ago

[Bud Weiser]

I'm not pro Apple at all - I do run my windows pc stationary computer to be able to use Scope (which I did build myself) and I am an amateur.
Having both (I'm also a laptop windows man for many years), I do prefer my mac book pro regardless.

I agree, when buying stock computers/laptops, buying a MBP is the best choice.
I don´t agree on that when ADK Pro Audio come into the ballpark w/ their custom designed laptops offering a ADK Pro bios and special hardware selection just only for audio/MIDI purposes,- but these have a price.

But I do try to figure out how my heroes of music do their magic.

There´s probably no maguc at all,- they all cook w/ water.

Bud

[dante]

In other words dont hold yer breath. Better study bootcamp - it works and is a reliable solution with not much overhead from what I read...

http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_26/mac_mast.htm

No more difficult than some of my Win 8.x experiences on a PC.

[vascomusic]

This is an old reply from Creamware founder Frank Hund on January 31, 2004, right after the restart of CreamWare Audio GmbH:

Original post of user Lore:
As a mac user i was really concerned about creamware disappearing. Honestly with all this speculation i thought they'll abandon mac to concentrate at least on pc, and i was really sad imaging my set up without my beloved pulsar II.
My question is : which are the priorities now?
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... 7&start=20

Answer of Frank Hund:
* Mac Development
While SFP for OS-X is in a relatively advanced state it is on hold at this time. Today, Noah runs under OS-X very well and we are carefully watching Noahs success in the Mac domain. Later we will need to decide upon SFP for OS-X once again. I'm sorry I don't have any better news for you lore. This does not mean we will never ever go OS-X but it does not seem like a hgh priority at the moment.
http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... 7&start=40

[garyb]

Frank never went any further. i don't think development was as far along as he claimed back then. he was also going to do a Vista-ready version. he went to India to find inexpensive programmers, but we got ASB and Klangboxes instead. these had OSX versions of their remote software, a much simpler app to make, but one that meant no OSX or Vista Scope...