pci master overlow with reverb in samp aux

[guppy]

Hello
I'm trying a new setup with 1 sc ambient reverb and delay (which is a hardware delay loaded as an exeternal effect) loaded into samplitude aux.
I got a problem with it.
It loads well as an external effect in samp (I can scan the latency of the effects).
Everything works well.
Bu if I want to change something into the scope setup (for example adding a connection between asio and the STM, I got a PCI master overflow, and I can't resolve it by a retry. I must stop samplitude, check the samplerate and relaunch sampitude.Sometimes, it doesn't work at all.
If i don't put any sonic core reverb into samp aux, it works.
This is my scope setup (1xScope+2xPulsar2)

The place of the sc reverb shoud be into 18l/18R Asio input and 18l/18R output.
The result is the same with masterverbs and sc reverbs.
I have tested a lot of configuratin which needed much more pci bandith and dsp power, it has worked before without any problem, but I've never tried before the external effect of Samplitude, and maybe the asio part is guilty, I don't know.
Can you tell me if you know how to stop this and have a sc reverb which doesn't have this behavior please ?

Add to that, I'm trying to run my new jbl 4326 with the aes/ebu connections, so I tried them...with aes/ebu!!
I got some crackles and pop as a good old spdif
Is it the same as with spdif, that aes/ebu must be master if I got only input ?
I don'tthink I can put my monitors as master, I don't understand (I don't have those noises with analog connections)..... Can I sync a monitor ??

[braincell]

Take out all of your PCI cards and put them in one at a time in different slots, testing Scope after each card is installed.

[guppy]

Ok, I try it !
it's true that I've moved my computer last time, so it could be that (I hope:))
I had this kind of problem because heat, but since this time, I've putted a big airflow so it can't be heat this time.

[niceboy]

Hello
I'm trying a new setup with 1 sc ambient reverb and delay (which is a hardware delay loaded as an exeternal effect) loaded into samplitude aux.
I got a problem with it.
It loads well as an external effect in samp (I can scan the latency of the effects).
Everything works well.
Bu if I want to change something into the scope setup (for example adding a connection between asio and the STM, I got a PCI master overflow, and I can't resolve it by a retry. I must stop smplitude, check the samplerate and relanch sampitude.Sometimes, it doesn't work at all.
If i don't put any sonic core reverb into samp aux, it works.
This is my scope setup (1xScope+2xPulsar2)

The place of the sc reverb shoud be into 18l/18R Asio input and 18l/18R output.
The result is the same with masterverbs and sc reverbs.
I have tested a lot of configuratin which needed much more pci bandith and dsp power, it has worked before without any problem, but I've never tried before the external effect of Samplitude, and maybe the asio part is guilty, I don't know.
Can you tell me if you know how to stop this and have a sc reverb which doesn't have this behavior please ?

Add to that, I'm trying to run my new jbl 4326 with the aes/ebu connections, so I tried them...with aes/ebu!!
I got some crackles and pop as a good old spdif
Is it the same as with spdif, that aes/ebu must be master if I got only input ?
I don'tthink I can put my monitors as master, I don't understand (I don't have those noises with analog connections)..... Can I sync a monitor ??

I have worked a lot with our PCI sytstem this year.
I dont think its anything wrong with your cards but maybe the sync,
spdif needs sync also .
One has to be master ( click Internal or similar ) thats Basic optical spdif ,
but not as you said ,only one way not needed.
It depends on witch way
I think your problem is about loading new things , and computer has to be turned down,
completely for every change ,but also changed under a new name.
Turn down completely because its a soundcard like the older M-Audio soundcards
The application is actually a soundcard in the same time.
One other thing is what Dante learned me.
When you have loaded more than half of your dsp.
The mixers and plugins is stealing from each other.
Peter stealing from Paul its called.
This is not the case here, so lets have Gary on this Thread .
Hallo Gary ,where are you Gary.
This is really funny when you find out
Sonic Core in the Twilight Zone procedure I schould call it

Bear

[guppy]

It seems to be a good idea too But i've made several reboot without any changes.
I must sleep a little as I 'm working on this setup since many hours, but if the card connection is not the solution, I could try to make another identical project.

[niceboy]

It seems to be a good idea too But i've made several reboot without any changes.
I must sleep a little as I 'm working on this setup since many hours, but if the card connection is not the solution, I could try to make another identical project.

Yes and no.
The change of name of the project,
is important when you start loading reverbs,
or anything thats a drastic change of dsp usage.
Change name of project before restarting your computer.
Merry Christmas

[garyb]

what motherboard/chipset are you using?

[guppy]

I'm using an asus p7p55d. I already had this kind of problem because heat, but now I don't know what to do to solve this problem.

[garyb]

well, that reverb sounds great because it has many thousands of delay lines running, which are audio paths between the computer's memory and the card. in addition, you also have other audio traffic between programs and memory running on that same pci bus. there is a limit. the Ambient is about 6 Masterverbs worth of traffic and maybe more. how many masterverbs can you put in a more or less empty project before you get the overflow message?

why load into the samplitue aux anyway? that only increases traffic. just send the signal from the aux into Scope and then feed both the Sam audio and the reverb output in the Scope mixer. this might work better, there's no reason to return to Sam.

[guppy]

I've just tried to use the sc plate on a simple channel, it loads well, but when I try to connect it, I immediatly got the pci master overflow, that I can solve with changing the samplerate.
I don't have anyhting launch apart the browser and windows services.
I tried too the masterverb test, and maybe the problem is there because I can only load 5 or 6 masterverb before having pci capacity limit reach, I can load 8 at all with sound.
For one more , I got a message: "Required audio transfer bandwith between dsps too large".
I'm going crazy because I ever had much more last time I checked it (more than 10 at this time). I remember I moved and cleaned them and the pci slots.

[niceboy]

I've just tried to use the sc plate on a simple channel, it loads well, but when I try to connect it, I immediatly got the pci master overflow, that I can solve with changing the samplerate.
I don't have anyhting launch apart the browser and windows services.
I tried too the masterverb test, and maybe the problem is there because I can only load 5 or 6 masterverb before having pci capacity limit reach, I can load 8 at all with sound.
For one more , I got a message: "Required audio transfer bandwith between dsps too large".
I'm going crazy because I ever had much more last time I checked it (more than 10 at this time). I remember I moved and cleaned them and the pci slots.

We use only one reverb for the whole band as described here.
http://xited.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=952
Its just before the final mid side process in our Stereo mixdown.
I dont know where it came from using that many reverbs.
We use one more reverb for our band thats on Snare.
Thats not to be counted first .
Reverb is the last step before mastering.
I dont know, how many years it will take before people understand.
Here we use 16 channels mono to amplifie one Master reverb.
Thats actually 8 mono to left and 8 mono to the right,
in order to do Stereo mixdown ,
its better to figure out how to mix drums dry first,
before anything.
Drums have its own acustics also to cut in.
Thats what the Transient Designer is doing.
Bear

[guppy]

But the problem is that occured with only one verb
One thing important is that can occurs with masterverb and sc plate/ambient.
In fact, the sc plate worked, but each time I try to connect something else in the routing, I got the pci master overflow.
But after hours on it, there it works....
That's very strange...



To answer To Gary, I wanted to have a sc verb with samplitude external effetc, because since my last question were I asked if I could load more aux into scope, I manage to do it with Samplitude.
Those auxiliaries are dedicated to monitoring and headphones (I only left 3 stereo headphones, that' s great for everybody )
My new setup is much more effective than the old one

[niceboy]

But the problem is that occured with only one verb
One thing important is that can occurs with masterverb and sc plate/ambient.
In fact, the sc plate worked, but each time I try to connect something else in the routing, I got the pci master overflow.
But after hours on it, there it works....
That's very strange...



To answer To Gary, I wanted to have a sc verb with samplitude external effetc, because since my last question were I asked if I could load more aux into scope, I manage to do it with Samplitude.
Those auxiliaries are dedicated to monitoring and headphones (I only left 3 stereo headphones, that' s great for everybody )

You are saying that you do everything right , but in in my world you are doing everything wrong.Look at our Xite Stereo Mixdown with reverb and our newest drummixdown.
Bear

[guppy]

Can you explain me what you mean please ?
This problem is a technical one, but if you can help me to make it better
I've made a lot a test setup to have the most efficient, so i'm open to all suggestions
I had a big setup with realtime output and samp recording, qith audio totaly separated after the source, but I couldn't do anyhting else because scope connections were full (with a message from scope). So I decided to go only through Samplitude, that I can use its aux for live too, and play with asio minimum latency (which I set to 3ms), and the setup is much more lighter, letting me adding synths for example.
I said I had the same kind of probem because heat, but it's not true as Scope stopped to work because heat itself. Here, I just add a simple connection into the project and the pci master overflow.

[guppy]

Ok , i've made one more test.
It works now because I forgot I was trying to do it with 44khz instead of 48khz before.
With 44khz, it works well, and scope let me add some connections.
I thought my setup was light enough to hope 1 big reverb, but I realize that the limit is just my pci bandwith if I understand.
I can easily use a verb from samplitude, but the scope ones are so beautiful

[niceboy]

Ok , i've made one more test.
It works now because I forgot I was trying to do it with 44khz instead of 48khz before.
With 44khz, it works well, and scope let me add some connections.
I thought my setup was light enough to hope 1 big reverb, but I realize that the limit is just my pci bandwith if I understand.
I can easily use a verb from samplitude, but the scope ones are so beautiful

I dont thinlk so .
Scope is not depending on computer processor.
Bear

[guppy]

Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !! !!!
i've reduced the number of asio dest channel too.

[niceboy]

Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !! !!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear

[niceboy]

Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !! !!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear

[niceboy]

Ok, I put one masterverb and it seems ok by now, with 44 and 48khz.
I'm so disappointed that I can't use sc verbs !! !!!

Go back to where i said yes and no I think you missed the point ,
because I edited it .
Bear