hi all.
im still waiting for my keys... but i started thinking,
all the audio from my pulsar 2 + scope card V1 (15 dsp)
is going to an external soundcard on another computer.
that soundcard has a free pair of RCA and it also has a free SPDIF optical (toslink i think) in and out.
and i thought it would have more bandwidth and less noise by using the optical out, plus, i could pass sounds to the pulsar and use the sampler and granular synthesis (i geuss that really sound noobish...)
so...
is it a good idea?
my scope card has this connectors:
http://www.google.co.il/imgres?um=1&hl= ... 9,r:6,s:25
is that spdif optical?
RCA analog output vs optical digital output
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
i recomend doing it the opposite way have the other comps output via spdif going to the input of the scope card
then use the scope mixer as its way better than the daw mixers
what sound card does your other comp use
on my i7 comp which hosts my daw and native plugs i have a 1820m emu sound card
this has both spdif and adat i/o i run the adat into the scope card
then use the scope mixer as its way better than the daw mixers
what sound card does your other comp use
on my i7 comp which hosts my daw and native plugs i have a 1820m emu sound card
this has both spdif and adat i/o i run the adat into the scope card
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
You have the 3x optical i/o. You can switch one of them to optical s/pdif.Its a very old card and the plate 3x optical i/o is pretty rare.To switch the i/o to s/pdif open the control panel.Its obvious from there.
Oh and jhulk.The mixer in scope is just a mixer.It isnt better than any daw mixer in theory.The summing algo used in a very very simple math instuction.There may be a added difference in sound but that is minimal.Its not magic its very simple math.
Summing example:
for (nframes_t i=0; i < nframes; i++) {dst += src;}
Oh and jhulk.The mixer in scope is just a mixer.It isnt better than any daw mixer in theory.The summing algo used in a very very simple math instuction.There may be a added difference in sound but that is minimal.Its not magic its very simple math.
Summing example:
for (nframes_t i=0; i < nframes; i++) {dst += src;}
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
you want to use the Scope mixer because of all that that enables, processing, routing, there's always a "i want to" and "i wonder if i can". using the Scope mixer allows solutions to those questions.
mathmatical summing and what happens when signals are mixed are simlar, but different. that's what algorythms attempt to emulate, mathematically. it's an imperfect process, but then that might be the point. there is a definite difference to things mixed natively, things mixed natively and then summed externally and things mixed and/or summed in Scope.
the kinds of experiments done to prove that this isn't so are based on very limited parameters. an actual mix, even with minimal track count and very limited processing will come out very differently depending on what system it's mixed on. a humam being does the mix. even workflow affects the final sound. the quickest way is not always the best, a complicated way is not always the worst. it depends.
there is no test that takes all factors into account. my client's ears hear the difference.
of course, none of this matters if you don't like audio first. if you are just f-ing around with a fad while in school or wanking off on a program itself, Scope might not help at all. if you just like computers and playing with them(well Scope's pretty cool from that standpoint, too) more than you really are into audio, then a soundblaster or maybe an RME card if you want to go high-end is sufficient.
Scope modular has granular options with Flexor. http://adern.com/home/modules.php?name= ... eview&id=8
mathmatical summing and what happens when signals are mixed are simlar, but different. that's what algorythms attempt to emulate, mathematically. it's an imperfect process, but then that might be the point. there is a definite difference to things mixed natively, things mixed natively and then summed externally and things mixed and/or summed in Scope.
the kinds of experiments done to prove that this isn't so are based on very limited parameters. an actual mix, even with minimal track count and very limited processing will come out very differently depending on what system it's mixed on. a humam being does the mix. even workflow affects the final sound. the quickest way is not always the best, a complicated way is not always the worst. it depends.
there is no test that takes all factors into account. my client's ears hear the difference.
of course, none of this matters if you don't like audio first. if you are just f-ing around with a fad while in school or wanking off on a program itself, Scope might not help at all. if you just like computers and playing with them(well Scope's pretty cool from that standpoint, too) more than you really are into audio, then a soundblaster or maybe an RME card if you want to go high-end is sufficient.
Scope modular has granular options with Flexor. http://adern.com/home/modules.php?name= ... eview&id=8
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
you have a VERY old card, probably more than 15 years old. the ADAT i/o are 8 channels of digital each for a total of 24 in and 24 out. it has a fair amount of dsp on it as well, so it can do a lot. the only downside is that the minimum latency is 13ms. if it shared the computer with a newer card(like a 3 or 6 dsp card), you would be able to get 3-4ms at 44.1k
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
ok, interesting.
fluxpod, did you mean the pulsar card or the scope card? (about the optical connections).
i saw the pulsar has some kind of connectors aside the D-connector. are those optical spdif?
and by opening the control panel, you mean the virtual control panel?
im just trying to understand if its possible, and if so, what cables/connectors would i need. just a spdif toslink cable would suffice?
my other computer has this humble card:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/FA-66/
thanks
fluxpod, did you mean the pulsar card or the scope card? (about the optical connections).
i saw the pulsar has some kind of connectors aside the D-connector. are those optical spdif?
and by opening the control panel, you mean the virtual control panel?
im just trying to understand if its possible, and if so, what cables/connectors would i need. just a spdif toslink cable would suffice?
my other computer has this humble card:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/FA-66/
thanks
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
Regarding latency, as zoharar system also have one newer Pulsar2, this should not be a problem: just use the older Scope v1 board as a DSP and IO expansion for the Pulsar2...
From what I understand you have an ADAT IO board on the Scope v1.
The Pulsar2 should be "classic" version with RCA Spdif. You cannot directly connect RCA spdif to TosLink Lightpipe ...
The optical connector you have beside the dSub are also ADAT IO (not SPDIF), but the good news is your system provide you 3 + 1 = 4 ADAT IO, providing you 32 digital IO beside the SPDIF and stereo analog IO: 36 IO in total !!!
From what I understand you have an ADAT IO board on the Scope v1.
The Pulsar2 should be "classic" version with RCA Spdif. You cannot directly connect RCA spdif to TosLink Lightpipe ...
The optical connector you have beside the dSub are also ADAT IO (not SPDIF), but the good news is your system provide you 3 + 1 = 4 ADAT IO, providing you 32 digital IO beside the SPDIF and stereo analog IO: 36 IO in total !!!
Last edited by HUROLURA on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
you use one of the adat ports as optical sp/dif. it can be switched in the software. on the live bar/set/samplerate...
yeah, i should read your post more carefully. you have a later card too.
yeah, i should read your post more carefully. you have a later card too.
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
Didn't even know this was possible 
Scope is SO flexible ...
Scope is SO flexible ...
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
wow, you can switch between ADAP and SPDIF, nice!
im buying a cable tommarow and i'll start tweaking as soon as i get the keys
im buying a cable tommarow and i'll start tweaking as soon as i get the keys
Re: RCA analog output vs optical digital output
ok, wonderfull! got the cables, connected them to ADAT port A (which i found by trial and error). switched the optional spdif in the sampleRate menu... and...
Input is working! hurray! im recieving audio from my other workstation.
and...
Output is not working! tried the output of port A and port B and i see no signal coming through.
what might be wrong? im checking the input on the other computer cubase input meters.
and one more thing, my FA-66 soundcard makes a click when i connect the spdif and they are locked tight. in the pulsra II they are very loose and dont hold very good, but they are connected as the spdif input meter showed.
any advice?
Input is working! hurray! im recieving audio from my other workstation.
and...
Output is not working! tried the output of port A and port B and i see no signal coming through.
what might be wrong? im checking the input on the other computer cubase input meters.
and one more thing, my FA-66 soundcard makes a click when i connect the spdif and they are locked tight. in the pulsra II they are very loose and dont hold very good, but they are connected as the spdif input meter showed.
any advice?