wierd problems with scope 5.1

[jhulk]

ill point this to gary b

been doing presets in modular and when saved and reloaded it says they are incompatible

i did 30 presets to learn i just wasted hours of time as now they are lost to time and space

also none of the delay or reverbs are working any pointers to why this is happening as i never had the problems when i use scope 4

[garyb]

point at me, why?
am i a whipping boy?
i only try to help.

why don't your presets work? i don't know. is it v5? maybe, but i doubt it. if it is, would it help if i say "sorry"?

there are plenty of people doing modular presets in v5 that have success. maybe the things you need to do are the ones that don't work. i'm not a programmer, so i can't help.

[ChrisWerner]

Yep, its a problem, first aid is to just 'ignore' the compatibility message. Second aid, load a preset, store it again, save the preset list, on to the next preset and hapless through all presets in that way.

Have you tried the mod V3 empty module instead?

[w_ellis]

Useful info here too: http://cwmodular.org/html/notes2.html

[jhulk]

i was not getting at you gary

it was pointed at you becuase you work with s/c

i was just asking questions to my problems that exist with 5.1

as you are the only active member of s/c on this list then it was just easy to ask you

now i have heard many others have had these same problems

there are work arounds

but my biggest is no delay devs work either s/c ones or creamware or third party ones masterverb or celmo or dasplugs

i have all these nice verbs and delays and they do nothing they only pass the dry audio

now it would be great if s/c had a buggs list so people can put down whats going on so that they can read them

i use many software products and hardware

and 1 good modular soft synth is vaz modular 3

now the coder of that actually talks to the people buying it and listens to bugs reported via a forum and also future features to be implimented

he is one man and yet when there is bugs they get reported and an update is issued that corrects these problem fualts

very quickly

to make things work better a good comunication is needed other wise people lose confidence in the product and dont upgrade

and if some looking to be interested in buying exite and see people complaining then it dont look good image for that buying customer

all i needed was an answer to my problem or a direct link to a work around or some other advice

unlike the stupid retort that you gave

if you dont know just say so and point me in the right direction for me to talk to them that does know so that i can sort out the problem

other wise what is the point in me buying soft from s/c if it dont work becuase at the moment im having to direct my audio through outboard reverb

which seems pointless when i have these great delays and reverbs on the scope system

[jhulk]

as for the cw info

the preset bug is when you write presets then change different modules deleting others

i never do any presets until the dev is finished and then and only then do i create presets this way there are not any presets done with half finished devs

it seems the biggest problem seems to be the sample osc and the standard sample pool

apparently the one from zarg instruments does not have this preset problem so i will try that

but the other work around and maybe better as the dev file does not get larger when adding presets is have the samples in a folder in the same location as the dev file this way every person can have the file in the same place

but there is definetly a bug when you reload a dev that has more than 1 not poly if it has more poly then it dont play the notes it skips them and only plays them every 2nd or third note but if you revert to 1 note poly then put it up to the required notes of poly it performs perfectly and all is well

so when saving the dev after each sessionits best to drop it to 1 note poly

now if there is any one on the forum that can help with my delay devs not working that would be great

as the system is crippled with out them and i dont want to revert back to scope 4.5

[garyb]

delays work here....

[w_ellis]

I'd assume that the changing of the sample pool stuff has a similar impact on Modular's concept of preset compatibility as changing modules, hence the warning. Makes sense if a preset could contain a setting that points at a specific sample that could be missing in another patch variant.

Regarding your issue with delays, I'd guess that there is an issue with a file (e.g. one of the dsp or app files) that is shared between all the various different delay devices. There are a few threads advising the best way to do a full reinstall of Scope to ensure there are no lingering references that could be causing your problem. It doesn't sound like a bug, as something that fundamental would have to be affecting all users.

[dante]

apparently the one from zarg instruments does not have this preset problem so i will try that

Yep at least thats something we can try. Seems evident to me S|C arent doing bug fixes on 5.x, so we just have to make do with what we've got. Gary doing the best he can. We all are really at the end of the day, and making progress.

Ill experiment with the delay problem as well. I remember being able to crash modular if using more than one tape delay, so maybe the issue is related to instance counts referencing the same core function.

[jhulk]

i have not been able to save presets so if i change anything to the dev it does not matter until i save presets then you cant change the dev or you get preset bugs

my problem is i cant save presets at all as they are non compatible and if i press on one i get nil referance

glad the delays are working for you gary at your end

so i definetly have a problem as there is no delay working at all on my system being using modular ones or setting insert effects on the mixer

so either my system is missing dsp files or i need todo a fresh install

so the jd800 sample pool is supposed to work so i will remove all asociated wave files from that pool add the korg delta waves to that pool and

save the dev that way


hopefully it will allow presets

i might aswell do a fresh install

as i wanted to try the das reverb plug that i have not used yet and cant at the moment

does anyone know what dsp files are required for these delays to work so i can search to see if its there

[ChrisWerner]

spare the fresh install, we have with V5 what we have. A fresh install won't bring the solution, I am sorry to say. All (my) modular work waits for a hopefully bug free V6.

[jhulk]

thanks chris but my problem is the delays and reverbs not working at all

modular problems dont bother me it pissed me off becuase of the 4 hours wasted doing pre,s
but i can change the problematic sound pool for a sample folder and that way i can add more files from other synths to it

opening up more sonic territory

the only reason im doing a fresh install is to try and get the correct dsp files for the delay devs

as i have some realy good third party devs which are great but can use as they do not produce audio from the wet output only the dry so there is

no effect at all

[djmicron]

delay and reverbs are working here.
Tried 32bit and 64bit scope v5.1

Are you sure you haven't replaced some dsp file with older ones from previous versions of scope?

Maibe you have merged/overwritten some folder and files

[jhulk]

yes i think that can be the only thing

i did transfer some files from one comp to the other and just saved them to there same folders which could of over written the dsp files with older versions

ill do a re install of scope 5.1 and see if it corrects the problem

[jhulk]

i sorted out the preset problem

the problem is in the sound pools

as these are from the creamware days then its not a 5.1 bug but a bug thats been here for years

i never really used sound pools but becuase i was doing a mod patch for every one else i decided to use them for easy movement of files

so dont use the sound pools unless its the one from zarg instruments but even if you use this pool there is still a bug in that the dev gets bigger and bigger every time you make a preset

the best work around is to stick the dev in a folder and the samples in a folder in that folder and then load the samples from that folder then save the presets

this way when you load a sample to make new presets it always goes to the correct folder

then you zip up that folder to distribute

i hope this makes it easier for every one to share sample osc based modular patches

i had to do a reinstall of 5.1 now the delays and reverbs are working so it must of been a problem with a dsp file got damage some how

all is well in the land of me

have a nice day

[dante]

i had to do a reinstall of 5.1 now the delays and reverbs are working so it must of been a problem with a dsp file got damage some how all is well in the land of me

Excellant glad that's fixed !