ADAT cannot work in standard mode

[quantum]

I am using Pulsar 2+1 and can't get the damn ADAT connections on Pulsar 2 to work in standard mode. And on top of that only ADAT A works along with SPDIF since they're both in OPT. SPDIF mode. In any other mode or configuration ADAT doesn't even show the little red light in samplerate window. So far I've tried loading all ADAT accessible modules and switching cables, but to no avail. So I guess the question is why doesn't standard mode work?

My system has scope 4.5 in pro mode, winxp home, and is very stable.

[garyb]

not much reason it shouldn't.

what is connected to the adat input? what is it's clock set to? have you ever included an ADAT dest in that project?

[bosone]

maybe you exchanged the cables and connected in to in and out to out??
the external adat out must be connected to scope adat in (and viceversa)

do you see the light coming out from both the adat outs (ext hardware and scope)?,

[it should be since the spdif is working]

is the ext hardwrae configured as adat??

[quantum]

not much reason it shouldn't.

what is connected to the adat input? what is it's clock set to? have you ever included an ADAT dest in that project?

I am feeding it from Lavry AD10, which is the master clock set to 44.1khz. And no I never included an ADAT Dest in the first image. Is this important?

[quantum]

maybe you exchanged the cables and connected in to in and out to out??
the external adat out must be connected to scope adat in (and viceversa)

do you see the light coming out from both the adat outs (ext hardware and scope)?,

[it should be since the spdif is working]

is the ext hardwrae configured as adat??

I'm using a Lavry AD10 as a master source feeding the Scope ADATs. And Scope doesn't recognize the signal at all. And I know for sure I didn't mess up the wiring because I verified it.

[garyb]

the Lavry is stereo, no?

if so, it can't output ADAT.

[quantum]

the Lavry is stereo, no?

if so, it can't output ADAT.

Yes, the Lavry is stereo and has an optical out and AES. Keep in mind it works fine when the settings are like the lower image above. This is the most bizarre problem I ever had. If you figure this out I promise to send you $40 through PayPal.

[garyb]

it's not a problem. ADAT is 8 channel. sp/dif is 2 channel.

there's no way to use the Lavry with ADAT because it doesn't output 8 channel audio in the ADAT format.

[quantum]

it's not a problem. ADAT is 8 channel. sp/dif is 2 channel.

there's no way to use the Lavry with ADAT because it doesn't output 8 channel audio in the ADAT format.

Yes, you are right. I never even thought about the difference between ADAT and TOSLINK. What a bummer. Now I have to sell the Lavry and buy an AD converter that outputs ADAT, unless there's a way to convert TOSLINK to ADAT. I know about source converters but they're too expensive for what they do.

[garyb]

ADAT uses toslink connectors. optical sp/dif uses toslink connectors. why can't you just use the optical sp/dif? it's two channel.

why do you need to use an optical signal at all for that converter? just use copper aes/ebu(sp/dif if that's what your card has). optical isn't "better". optical or copper, it sounds the same.

i don't see any problems.

of course an A16 Mk2 would give you 16 channels of AD and DA both for less money than the Lavry, and in a home studio, would probably sound just about as good, but the Lavry is better, for sure. if you're not feeding it with a GREAT mic and preamp, it seems like a bit of a waste, but i wouldn't mind owning the AD10, either.

you might even want both types of boxes, the AD10 for the most discriminating work, and the A16 for a general patch bay to the computer, but it all depends on what you need and can use.

[tomylee]

uhm if the lavry has optical out and its a stereo converter the optical out is not adat but optical spdif, you can choose in the settings box opdical spdif input, i mean change from optical adat to optical spdif, i dont know of any other optical standard than adat or spdif...

edit: ah I see you want 2 optical spdif inputs? scope does not do that, nor most of other gear like rme, most have only 1 switchable toslink port, switching from adat to spdif

[quantum]

uhm if the lavry has optical out and its a stereo converter the optical out is not adat but optical spdif, you can choose in the settings box opdical spdif input, i mean change from optical adat to optical spdif, i dont know of any other optical standard than adat or spdif...

edit: ah I see you want 2 optical spdif inputs? scope does not do that, nor most of other gear like rme, most have only 1 switchable toslink port, switching from adat to spdif

Yea I want to use just ADAT now because that way I can record and master without crawling and switching cables. SPDIF only lets me use 2 channels and ADAT has 4/8. I also bought a Midiman SAM and that should solve all my problems. Now if that doesn't work, I'll just go back to SPDIF.

THANKS FOR THE HELP!!!

[garyb]

what else do you have to connect to the ADAT connectors?

you can't just xonnect a two channel device and then choose which of eight outputs are used or anything like that. even if you could, that wouldn't improve anything. you can already send the outputs anywhere you like within Scope. if all you have to connect is the Lavry, DON'T even bother with optical. use copper. what is to be gained from optical? what makes you think it's better? sp/dif and AES/EBU are exactly the same, optical or copper lines. the only difference is that sp/dif optical is optical and AES/EBU is a hotter signal than sp/dif. AES/EBU is a balanced line and sp/dif is an unbalanced line. bal/unbal only matters in environments with tons of cabling bundled together or exceptionally long runs. in all three cases, the sound is IDENTICAL.

if you don't have an 8 or 16 channel AD/DA, you cannot make use of ADAT. that's just how it is. the M-Audio box is redundant and a waste of money for you. you already have the proper connections available. buying something else won't help you.

of course, you can always do what you want with your money. there's no pressure to do what i say.

[quantum]

what else do you have to connect to the ADAT connectors?

you can't just xonnect a two channel device and then choose which of eight outputs are used or anything like that. even if you could, that wouldn't improve anything. you can already send the outputs anywhere you like within Scope. if all you have to connect is the Lavry, DON'T even bother with optical. use copper. what is to be gained from optical? what makes you think it's better? sp/dif and AES/EBU are exactly the same, optical or copper lines. the only difference is that sp/dif optical is optical and AES/EBU is a hotter signal than sp/dif. AES/EBU is a balanced line and sp/dif is an unbalanced line. bal/unbal only matters in environments with tons of cabling bundled together or exceptionally long runs. in all three cases, the sound is IDENTICAL.

if you don't have an 8 or 16 channel AD/DA, you cannot make use of ADAT. that's just how it is. the M-Audio box is redundant and a waste of money for you. you already have the proper connections available. buying something else won't help you.

of course, you can always do what you want with your money. there's no pressure to do what i say.

Ok, so I have 1 Lavry AD10 and 2 DA10s. I want to integrate recording as well as mastering and monitoring in one setup. I will use Goldpoint dual input box to accept recording mixer's output and mastering limiter's output and then go straight into AD10. That way I would just use one switch on the Goldpoint to go into mastering mode instead of crawling and/or switching cables. Of course in Scope I would have to load the right modules. So ADAT B output would go into DA10 (playback), rest of mastering chain, Goldpoint dual input box, AD10, then to limiter and ADAT B input. And then from limiter into DA10 (monitor) and ADAT A input. ADAT A output also goes into DA10 (monitor). The M-audio device will be used to convert from SPDIF and back. I need ADAT because I have to use two monitor sources instead of just one because in SPDIF TOSLINK mode both RCA and TOSLINK cable transmit the same source signal. Now do you kinda understand what I want to do?

[garyb]

no, but work away!
as long as you are happy with the end result, that's the whole point here.

[quantum]

no, but work away!
as long as you are happy with the end result, that's the whole point here.

Hehehe yea...as long as my card isn't broken it should work.