Pro tools 10 native and Scope

[the19thbear]

Hi. I have been trying to get my pro tools 9 setup to work for awhile now, but to no avail...
I get constant crackles/cpu spikes whenever i move windows/adjust eqs etc. This only happens in pro tools...

-im using it with scope, and i have tried anything from changing graphics card to messing with the cpu (speedstep).
I have no shared irqs in the system.
So im thinking that it might have anything to do with the asio source/dest in scope? what kind would you recommend for pro tools?

Newest drivers for everything, and newest bios. I had to disable SM bus in order to get my wifi working (i have tried disabling wifi as well)
-i have messed with graphics card setting, desktop setting (disabling areo or whatever its called), running PT in administrator mode, in xp comp. mode
-i have performed ALL tweaks on avids win7 optimizing page...

...

12th december 2011 UPDATE:
Installed the PT 10 demo yeasterday and the darn thing works!! it works!! Pro tools seems faster to - and more stable - they did something good this time, for a change!;)
To get it working:
1: go to bios and disable Hyperthreading (as suggested by SC)
2:Go to device manager and click your scope card and set midi devices to 1 (if it is set to 2), and disable reset board if idle ( step 2 may not be neccesery to do - i just had it done earlier and didnt want to undo it)
3:right click the PT 10 icon and click settings - set to always run as administrator and disable rebuild desktop)
4:Right click your desktop and select personalize and choose a theme that is NOT AERO.
5: Inside pro tools: go to playback engine and set your cpu use to half your total cpu - i have a QUAD core, i can only use 2 cpu's - otherwise PT starts acting up again.
6: Tick "ignore cou overloead message" (or whatever its called:) - then i new box (minimize additonal in/out latency) will appear, tick that as well.

Of course, the problems might have been on my specific setup only, try a combination of my tips ( or all) and see if it solves your problems, and please write in this thread if you have any extra tips/tricks or if you didnt need to apply ALL of the things i wrote above.
Thanks!

[next to nothing]

I am no expert but i would suggest you say what kind of chipset you are trying to get working, hopefully not sandybridge as far as i understand

[garyb]

ASIO2-32 Source 64 and ASIO2 Dest-64

[the19thbear]

thanks alot
DP67BG
Chipset. Intel P67 Express

I7 2600, 3,4 ghz processor

[next to nothing]

Sorry to say, but i think you have a really huge challenge.

http://communities.intel.com/thread/22547

[the19thbear]

The scope cards work fine in reaper though.. so i dont think that it has any problems with the pci cards..

i have searched a little bit on the sm bus controller... i have it disabled, otherwise my usb wifi wont work (no irq conflict though.. so i dont know why!) seems it has to do with the graphics, so i might have to enable it.. and lose my wifi.. ARHG!! i hat computers sometimes.. and sometimes i love them

[dawman]

The advantages I see w/ ProTools over Reaper is the Elastic Audio, if this is the only reason you're using it there are workarounds using Dynamic Splits in Reaper to achieve the same quality, but as usual it's several little tweaks of 4 bar sections as opposed to the 1 touch trick of other bloated apps.....................ooops................O meant other DAW's..
It's for the media transfers that ProTools has, that pretty exclusive and I understand why.

Intel has been building their high end boards, but outsource their smaller boards using the lower Binned chips like the P67.
I'm sure Intel has a fix coming, but it takes a while to contact their Chinese lords and plead for a fix...

[the19thbear]

i actuallly only want to use it in my studioe because i use it at work as well..
i work alot faster in PT now, and its just deep in my workflow.... plus i paid a good deal of money (compared to reaper) for it, so it HAS to work
I really think it needs to be completely redesigned though! i have never used an app that was so picky about hardware!

[garyb]

the pickyness is not an accident.

PT is a real piece of crap, but it does have a good and known audio editing workflow.

[the19thbear]

Yes it is! It seems to me that it's full of useless rigid code. It just feels so big and takes up alot of resource without actually doing anything extra..
Beat detective and features like that are nice.. But still! Reaper is like 8mb. And works with ALL the plugins/sound cards I throw at it. It does have flaws though.. But it works.

Hmm.. I'm going to try fiddling around a little more here and if it still doesn't work I might use reaper at home instead of pt.

[the19thbear]

Turns out that the intel MB im using has troubles with pci....
have any of you used one of these succesfully?
http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-expres ... html?sl=EN


Will it still be seen as a pci port, or pcie?
thanks:)

[garyb]

actually, ALL socket 1155 motherboards are poor pci performers...

[the19thbear]

I hate computer evolution!!!
Im thinking of buying one of the above, and trying to see if PT performs better... right now its a nightmare.. im mixing on an mbox mini if i want any work done!

[astroman]

...have any of you used one of these succesfully?
http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-expres ... html?sl=EN ...

well... successful ? your mileage may vary ...
I have one of those and got it running - in a true act of balancing on that tiny slot connector
(notice it's made for low profile boards, no Scope will fit)
As one of my cases has extra height I considered it possible to adapt it some way, but it turned out harder than expected.

So I just tried it out 'free-wheelin' in a Asus P67 with known bad PCI performance.
The card is recognized just regular as what it is.
It may have improved performance by (say) 20% or so, but 3 or 4 Masterverbs isn't much difference.
It's NOT any kind of technical breaktrough.
The only difference I noticed was a significantly faster recovery time from PCI errors... you know the 'retry box' dialog

cheers, Tom

[the19thbear]

you say that no scope board will fit? why not? i have 1 6dsp card...
I dont care about high masterverb count. I mostly want to be able to use synths and comps etc, and a reverb or 2.
The only reason i want to do this is to make pro tools perform better.

[next to nothing]

actually, ALL socket 1155 motherboards are poor pci performers...

From the link i posted above, there seem to be better results with the Gigabyte GA-H67A-UD3H-B3, even if the only difference in hardware is the hooked up network card. I can't see any scope-specifics in that thread, but several people report they got rid of the intel card and got this and the problems were gone. From what i can find i think the price of one of these boards equals two of the PCIe->PCI thingies, so i would do a bit more research and maybe switch mobo.

[the19thbear]

Thanks alot for your help!
It seems intel is working on a fix as well, but that might take forever..

Thanks again.

[astroman]

you say that no scope board will fit? why not?

just look at the picture of you link - and your motherboard:
PCI and PCIe slots have exactly the same height.
As you can see, this adapter would add 1 slot-height extra, as the PCI sits above the PCIe thing
The metal frame at the backside fits a low profile card only.
I used it without the frame, but that still left the cable-whip impossible to mount.

cheers, Tom

[the19thbear]

thanks:)

[the19thbear]

hmmm just checked... here in denmark that motherboard will cost about 4x the price of one of those pcie converter..
Maybe i'll just wait until Intel fixes their stuff, and use the Mbox till then.

Geeeeez.... i spend alot of money on stuff that doesnt work!! i have been tinkering around for almost 6 months with this computer now.. ARGH!!!