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I am sure many folks will disagree w/ me, but I was shocked that this bill passed.
Usually Congress and the Senate do their posturing of the left and the right which basically leads to nothing being done, but of course re elections for all involved as they take a tough stance..... :lol: :roll:
CSPAN is what I watch sometimes but the arm twisting that I would love to see is behind closed doors, so CSPAN is just a joke, except on unpopular legisaltion that isn't crucial.
IMHO this is a great step forward because it is the way to shake down the insurance rackets.
The left's stance is unrealistic and dangerous to the economy, and the rights stance as usual is equally as unrealistic. But if the Senate which is under extreme pressure passes this, we will see a comprimise which would benefit all people, and cause the insurnace companies to cave in and make concessions. The most important item is for pre exisiting comditions to be covered, it is not profitable, but the humane thing to do. The rights contribution could be caps on ridiculous lawsuits that force insurnace companies to pass along their losses to the consumer.
So for once we might see democracy in action, even though the sideshows are a joke, and the politicians were the ones taking money from the insuranace companies that started this whole unfair practice to begin with.
So I don't applaud these showboaters because they started the problems by taking bribes for legislation, but at least it seems like they are for once going to clean up their mess and leave the American people with a way to take care of more people who were exculded in the past.
Personally I look forward to not paying a monthly fee. I have great insurance and tomorrow I am finsishing up an 8000 USD part of my new mouth. It was free of charge, so I like my insurance. But having them take the charges out in the form of a weekly tax, is better and I was worried about my sons future as I could never afford the prices 5 years from now.
So Hip Hip Hooray if the Senate and Insurance folks get on board and we can get those bottom feeding lawyers out of the insurance rackets as well.
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Yup, it barely passed by 2 votes. Not sure it will make it through Senate (for many other reasons)

From what I've read so far...

Penalties for not having insurance - up to $8K. NOT tax deductible. As long as I opt for private insurance, or if my employer isn't worried about paying penalties for NOT using this plan, then I still have options (I think).
Penalties for not having insurance AND not qualifying for the subsidized insurance. In other words, if I make let's say $45K a year, I make too much money to qualify for the subsidy, and not enough money to afford ANY type of insurance for a family of four (on average) - given today's rates.
STILL doesn't promote competition or cross-boundary offerings from existing (or potential future) insurance companies. In other words, since it's corrupt, and you can't fix it, and the mafia won't let you, then you come up with a WHOLE OTHER scheme and call it 'universal' healthcare. Existing Blue Cross's and Cigna's of the country are still stuck trying to monopolize by region, while the government gets to monopolize nationally.
Medicare supposedly runs out of money in 8 years (another well-run government program - ahem) - coulda just funded this, made it 'public', and gotten rid of all the loopholes and insurance mafia lobby provisions.
Making the so-called 'rich' pay for insurance will backfire on small companies that would be forced to either raise rates, hire less people, or not be able to survive - since there are apparently NO tax incentives for adopting this new program.

Therefore, IMO it's an incomplete solution - more akin to rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, since it could have huge economic implications within 10 years.

I already pay over $400/month for only $150 in services, and the current insurer only pays 75% - so I'm really paying for heaven-forbid 'catastrophic' situations, since I don't use any prescriptions, and the insurance barely covers 'alternative' things such as chiropractor or healthy nutritional supplies.

So, on the surface, it talks the talk about reducing insurance mafia and attorney malfeasance, but in reality opens doors for more bureaucratic bloat and even eventual 'Enronization' of healthcare, where only the payout loops are benefited while QUALITY of healthcare goes down. In other words, the government needs to recoup it's investment, and the pharmaceutical companies need to recoup their investment, but how will WE recoup our investment?

Again, NOT being a naysayer, but there is a vast distinction between having an outright RIGHT to healthcare vs. privileges bestowed upon us by the bureaucrats.

I sure hope the guberment runs this better than they have...
US postal service, Social Security, Fannie Mae, war on poverty, Medicare, Medicaid, Freddie Mac, cash for clunkers, etc., etc. (all are broke).

Meanwhile, this could potentially cause expansion of the nanny state, NOT benefit the poor, NOT increase quality-of-care, could lower take-home pay, and raise tax rates.

It still just looks like more 'lipstick on a pig' to me.

we'll see...

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There is one thing I can say, that would reduce the cost of health care in the US. Tort reform. Look what the state of Missouri did, and it reduced the quantity of lawsuits (in the most litigious country in the world) by 80%. There are doctors flocking to this state to start up practice...just because, the malpractice insurance ha dropped though the floor.

I agree...it is a racket...BUT...tort reform would be imho a great start to reduce the costs...
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My sister, who is a nurse, sent this to me...
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Universal Single Payer Health Care Coverage
An Economic Stimulus Plan
By Stephen Lendman
11-18-9


The Institute for Health & Socio-Economic Policy (IHSP) is "non-profit policy and research group and is the exclusive research arm of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, (focusing on) current political/economic policy analysis in health care and other Industries....to enhance, promote and defend the quality of life for all."

In January, it released a "First-of-Its Kind Study" titled, "Single Payer/Medicare for All: An Economic Stimulus Plan for the Nation" to reform the system by providing universal care, adding productive new jobs, billions in public and private revenues, billions more in employee compensation, and added tax revenues. More on that below.

IHSP calls its study an "econometric," not an "arithmetical" health care system analysis, covering both their costs and economic benefits to the nation. Its methodology drew on:

"widely-used and accessible data bases and econometric models which are capable of showing how changes in one economic variable (such as health demand, pricing of services, or taxation of consumers and employers) will affect not only the health care sectors directly, but also their suppliers....their employees and their households, and the generation of federal, state, and local taxes."

Elements of its comprehensive coverage include:

-- universal eligibility; everybody in, no one excluded;

-- everyone under a uniform single standard similar to Medicare Parts A, B, and D; and

-- all enrollees having "the same health services, costs, eligibility requirements, and administrative cost burden.

Indirect Transactions/Activity

These occur when providers buy services or supplies to deliver care:

-- in America, $2.1 trillion in expenditures generates an additional $1.37 trillion in indirect transactions;

-- manufacturing with $307.6 billion benefits most; and

-- in 2006, health care totaled 9.2% of GDP.

Induced Transactions

These are health care worker household consumption transactions, and the indirect sector spending their income:

-- they total an estimated $2.3 trillion; and

-- again, manufacturing benefits most with another $442.8 billion, for an indirect $750.4 billion total.

Total Revenue Generation

IHSP "calculated the economic multiplier to be 2.78, nearly three times the revenues generated within the industry proper." Total direct and indirect health care revenue is $5.856 trillion.

Tax Revenues Generated

-- federal: $538.3 in 2006; and

-- state and local: $826 billion.

Employment

-- 18 million health care workers;

-- another 26 million jobs in other industries for a 45 million total; and

-- nationwide, "health care value added generated 12.1% of employee compensation, and 10.5% of total employment."

Occupations

Health service industries include 511 occupations, 43% in management, administration, finance, physical plant operations, and many other non-health related fields. Registered nurses number about 2.1 million, about 25% of health care professionals. Nursing aides, orderlies, attendants and home health aides comprise another 25%. Doctors are 3% of the total.

Initial Findings

Medicare for all, including Part D will generate:

-- $317 billion in increased public and private revenues;

-- 2.6 million new permanent jobs at an average income of $38,262 annually;

-- $100 billion in worker compensation;

-- $44 billion in new tax revenue - "exclusive of the funding changes to replace employer insurance contributions;"

-- Medicare Part B coverage for 2.6 million Medicare enrollees;

-- Part D coverage for 15 million more;

-- full coverage for the 50 million or more uninsured and millions more underinsured;

-- elimination of the uninsured's uncompensated demands on providers;

-- 27.7 million Medicaid recipients will get the same coverage as others, not the inconsistent kind now offered;

-- elimination of $134.9 billion in state and local expenditures and $175.7 billion for the federal government;

-- for the privately insured, ending problems of eligibility, exclusions, family coverage, premium costs, high out-of-pocket ones, and likelihood to be uninsured if lose employment;

-- for employers, replacing their administrative and financial burden under a shared universal approach;

-- for taxpayers, a reduction of $56 billion in unnecessary, unproductive insurance costs; and

-- for the nation, joining the rest of the industrialized world that provides universal coverage.

Enhanced Medicare for All

-- adding 2.6 million Part A only enrollees and 15 million without Part D will cost about $59 billion, 62% publicly borne;

-- the added expense will generate an additional $154.7 billion in total economic activity, about one million new jobs earning $43.2 billion, and new tax revenues of about $21.2 billion.

Covering the Uninsured

For a net total spending increase (net of the eliminated costs for the uninsured) of $44 billion "in 2006 values," a $120 billion in economic impact will be generated, 945,600 new jobs will be created earning $36.5 billion, and $16.5 billion in taxes will be raised. In addition, the formerly uninsured will pay a small premium above their current expense, but will get greatly enhanced care. Providers will also reduce losses because of non-payments, and emergency rooms will function as intended.

Medicaid

The current system is fragmented, inconsistent, expensive, and fails to provide the full range of preventive and routine care. Discontinuing it at the federal and state levels will generate a "total net direct economic impact" of $16.2 billion dollars breaking down as follows:

-- total new expenditures of $88.9 billion; and

-- discontinuance of $72.7 billion in costs.

Total economic activity will increase by $43 billion. About 336,900 new jobs will be created generating $14.3 billion annually, and tax revenue increases of $6.3 billion.

Medicare Coverage for the Privately Insured

It will bring 196.1 million new enrollees into the new program, standardize their coverage, replace the above enumerated problems, and eliminate an onerous burden on employers that paid (in 2006) 71% of insurance premiums, or $510 billion annually. Burdensome administrative costs will also be eliminated, an estimated $56 billion.

The net effect will shift an employer obligation to public funding and not increase national health costs. It will require more public administrative capacity, and possibly a new or revised tax structure to replace the current privately-financed system.

An Overview of the Health Care Industry

Providers include hospitals, physicians and other health care professionals, nursing care, home health care, ambulatory health services, laboratories and testing facilities, and others. They're closely linked to pharmaceutical, medical equipment, and other producers and suppliers.

Employer-provided coverage is the largest funding source. Privately insured households pay deductibles, or co-pays, and often part of the insurance premium. Taxpayers are the second largest funding source, through federal, state, and local health care programs, including Medicare, Medicaid, and others.

IHSP's report includes a detailed analysis of US health care in 2006, including the composition of the industry, its share of the economy, and the full, direct and indirect, impact that health care activities have on other economic sectors.

Conclusion

IHSP's study concludes that:

"a comprehensive Medicare based Single Payer system can make significant contributions to access of quality care for all US residents and in the process generate a much needed and very substantial economic stimulus in the form of jobs, enhanced business and public revenues and increased wages for the population at large." All this for a small net $63 billion increase yielding much more in benefits.

According to Geri Jenkins, co-president of the National Nurses Organizing Committee/California Nurses Association (NNOC/CNA):

IHSP's analysis shows "for the first time that a single-payer system could not only solve our healthcare crisis, but also substantially contribute to putting America back to work and assisting the economic recovery."

The study's lead author and director of the Institute for Health and Socio-Economic Policy (the NNOC/CNA research arm), Don DeMoro, added:

"If we were to expand our present Medicare system to cover all Americans, the economic stimulus alone would create an immense engine that would help drive our national economy for decades to come."

All for a tiny fraction of the Wall Street bailouts that looted the federal Treasury, gravely harmed the country, and delayed for a future time a far more serious day of reckoning.

Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) Support for Universal Single-Payer Coverage

PNHP calls the current system "outrageously expensive, yet inadequate" because of the 50 million or more uninsured and another 30 million or more underinsured. It spends more and delivers less through:

"a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things (unrelated to care): overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing (plus) huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy (consuming nearly one-third) of Americans' health dollars." The potential savings from single-payer financing is "more than $350 billion per year....enough to" cover everyone at no more than the current cost and perhaps less depending on services provided and if government negotiates lower drug prices the way other countries do.

Consider the benefits - single-payer will cover "all medically necessary services, including: doctor, hospital, preventive, long-term care, mental health, reproductive health care, dental, vision, prescription drug and medical supply costs. Patients" will have free choice of providers, and doctors will "regain autonomy over patient care," no longer restricted by insurance company gatekeepers. Overall, health care in America will achieve a quantum leap improvement compared to the dysfuntional state it's now in, worse still if Obamacare passes.

"HR 3962: Affordable Health Care for America Act" - The Public Betrayal Act to Enrich the Insurance, Drug, and Large Hospital Chain Cartels

On November 7, by a narrow 51 - 49% majority, the House passed legislation former CIGNA executive, now critic, Wendall Potter calls "the Insurance Company Profit Protection and Enhancement Act." Add the drug and hospital chain cartels that will profit hugely if it's enacted.

Voting for it - 219 Democrats and one Republican. Against it were the remaining Republicans and 39 Democrats.

Among its supporters were cosponsors of "HR 676: United States National Health Care Act or the Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act," including universal single-payer advocates:

-- Anthony Weiner (D. NY);

-- Danny Davis (D. IL), this writer's representative;

-- Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D. IL);

-- Barney Frank (D. MA); and

-- Barbara Lee (D. CA).

Dennis Kucinich (D. OH) explained "Why I Voted No," saying:

The current "for-profit insurance system....makes money (by denying) health care." HR 3962 strengthens the source of the problem. "Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care." They're the reason why "31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the US is health policies that do not cover you when you get sick."

Instead of fixing the problem, HR 3962 "accelerate(s) the privatization of health care. (It) inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies - a bailout under a blue cross. (The bill) continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of" Americans getting the kind of health care they deserve and badly need.

Former president of Physicians for a National Health Program, Dr. John Geyman, cited HR 3962 saying "No Bill is Better Than a Bad Bill" in enumerating its negatives, including:

-- enriching providers "on the backs of patients and their families;"

-- having "no effective cost containment mechanisms;"

-- a public option available only to about six million people or 2% of the population, and in 2013 will cost more than private programs for sicker people because insurers are unrestricted on what they can charge;

-- health care will be more, not less expensive; and

-- will still leave millions uninsured and millions more underinsured.

"In sum, this (monster won't) fix the major problems of cost and affordable access. (It) will add new layers of bureaucracy and complexity, is not fiscally responsible, and is not sustainable."

Debate now shifts to the Senate where the best outcome will be killing Obamacare because "no bill is better than a bad" one.

The California Nurses Association (NSA) said the following:

"This Bill Fails to Control Costs." While providing "limited assistance for some, the inconvenient truth is (it falls) far short in effective controls on skyrocketing insurance, pharmaceutical and hospital costs, (does) little to stop insurance companies from denying needed medical care recommended by doctors, and (provides) little relief for Americans with employer-sponsored insurance worried about health security for themselves and their families." And the Senate legislation is even worse.

The National Organization for Women said the "Bill Obliterates Women's Fundamental Right to Choose" that became law in the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, and is still the law of the land. The Court held that a woman may abort her pregnancy for any reason, up to when "the fetus becomes viable."

HR 3962 violates that right. Except in cases of rape, incest, or if a woman faces death, the Stupak (D. MI) amendment prohibits using federal money for insurance covering abortion. It prevents women participating in insurance exchanges from using their own money to buy abortion coverage. It denies low-income women access to it entirely.

According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), it:

-- will cost $1.055 trillion over the next decade, netting out at $894 billion after revenue enhancements;

-- mandates coverage and penalizes those without it up to 2.5% of their income;

-- insurance for individuals earning $44,000 pre-tax will be $5,300, plus another $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses for an annual $7,300 total, or 17% of their annual income; families earning $102,000 pre-tax will pay $15,000 in premiums plus another $5,300 in out-of-pocket costs for a total annual $20,300 cost, or 20% of their annual income; those earning below these amounts will be eligible for subsidies, based on a sliding scale, paid directly to insurers;

-- includes a watered-down public option by setting up insurance exchanges through which low income households are subsidized to make coverage more affordable; the plan is so weak, only an estimated 6 million or fewer will qualify; Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) lists myths and facts about it below;

-- expands eligibility for Medicaid;

-- lowers the federal deficit by $104 billion by 2019 and even more in the following ten years;

-- "substantially reduce(s) the growth of Medicare's payment rates for most services" by cutting over $400 billion in costs; the true figure is much higher; more on that below; and

-- leaves 18 million uninsured by 2019, including about six million undocumented immigrants; the Senate Finance Committee's bill leaves 25 million uninsured.

Pre-existing condition exclusions will be prohibited, but insurers may charge what they wish, so effectively nothing changes. Endorsing the bill:

-- the drug cartel;

-- the American Medical Association;

-- the US Conference of Catholic Bishops because of the anti-abortion provision; and

-- the AARP, an insurance/financial broker masquerading as an advocacy group for anyone aged 50 or older.

The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services' (CMS) Assessment of Medicare Cuts Under HR 3962

On November 13, CMS released estimates of the "costs, savings, and coverage impacts" of HR 3962, showing Medicare spending will be cut by a draconian $570.6 billion, well above the CBO figure. Enrollees unable to cover the difference will be devastated. Millions will get less care when they most need it. In some cases, hospitals and nursing homes may deny it altogether.

Medicare will introduce "permanent annual productivity adjustments to price updates for institutional providers" to maximize "efficiency" - costing $282 billion, over half the total cuts. They'll affect acute care hospitals, nursing facilities, and home health agencies, and be based on economic productivity overall, but CMS notes that:

"Except in the case of physician services, we are not aware of any empirical evidence demonstrating the medical community's ability to achieve productivity improvements equal to those of (the) overall economy."

As a result, provider costs will rise faster than Medicare payment increases. They, in turn, will reduce care or opt out of the program altogether. Many providers have done it because of low compensation. CMS states:

"Providers for whom Medicare constitutes a substantive portion of their business could find it difficult to remain profitable and might end their participation in the program (possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries)."

Medicaid eligibility will also be impacted, threatening access for millions of poor people, dependent on it as their sole source of care. Although HR 3962 increases spending by $77.5 billion to cover the cost of new enrollees, CMS says higher demand may cause providers:

"to accept more patients who have private insurance (with relatively attractive payment rates) and fewer Medicaid" ones because it won't be cost effective to do it.

Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) on Myths and Facts about a Public Option

Myth: More choice.

Fact check:

Provider and location choices will be limited. Seeking care outside networks will cost more, and authorization will still be required.

Myth: Patients may keep their doctors regardless of employment changes or health.

Fact check:

The employer-based system stays intact. If a new plan is chosen, only doctors in it may be accessed. Patients retaining their own will incur higher out-of-network fees. Insurers may also cherry pick the healthy and avoid the sick. Patients becoming ill risk losing employer-based coverage or face higher premiums to keep it.

Myth: Private insurers will have to compete on a level playing field.

Fact check:

HMO's "undermine fair competition despite regulations." They "cherry-pick" the healthy and avoid the high-risk. They also cost up to 19% more than traditional Medicare despite their lower age category enrollees.

Myth: Everyone will have quality, affordable care.

Fact check:

The current system is unsustainable. It will worsen if Obamacare passes. In whatever form, the "international experience with public option schemes" shows they don't provide universal coverage - because insurers pick the best and screen out the rest.

Myth: Patients will get better care because of "innovation in the quality care physicians provide."

Fact check:

Quality won't improve. Today's dysfunctional system won't change. It's driven by profits, high costs, and for insurers denying expensive care or delaying it as long as possible.

Myth: Cost will be reduced.

Fact Check:

False because no provider bureaucracy savings will be achieved. "Adding a public option to the array of private insurance companies....will only exacerbate the waste and inefficiency inherent in a patchwork system...."

Final Comments

Health care is a fundamental human right no different than food, shelter, clothing, clean air and water, and other essentials to life and well-being, not something to be bought and sold as a commodity. Universal single-payer coverage is the solution, not America's dysfunctional for-profit model.

If Obamacare is enacted, it will cost more, deliver less, leave millions uninsured, millions more underinsured and leave a broken system in place. It will enrich the insurance, drug and large hospital chain cartels at the expense of universal coverage. It will solidify a class-based system delivering the best care money can buy. Others will get sub-standard treatment, and for millions none at all. The solution is everybody in, nobody out under a universal, single-payer system. No one should accept less or politicians who won't provide it.

Stephen Lendman is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. He lives in Chicago and can be reached at <mailto:lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net>lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

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Tort reform is not a panacea for anything. Why are the cry baby republicans always on the side of the corporations and never on the side of the little guy? If you are hurt because of a stupid mistake, someone should pay for it!
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about the wonderful words in the official announcement-

they're doing all of this because they really, really care about each and every one of us, right?
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The republicans don't care. The democrats care but not so much the southern racist democrats.
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yes, they love you very, very much!
they want to hold your hand and make you feel cozy!
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garyb wrote:yes, they love you very, very much!
they want to hold your hand and make you feel cozy!
The Demopublicans and Republicrats only care for who PAYS THEM.
They are all pimps for the insurance/AMA/big pharma whores.

So, I presume noone read my last big post. Many doctors and nurses I know would just prefer funding and fixing Medicare so they can get back to work.
ANY new program will be way too expensive and bureaucratic to maintain.

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I read it. The formatting as it's reproduced here tends to make it seem like it's one long singular thing when in reality it could use some editing to clearly delineate the 3 separate sections and properly cascade the lists. But I assume that was the case in the original email and the lack of automatic bbcode conversion that stripped the formatting is at fault, not you.
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don't worry stardust, your leaders love you and just want you to be very, very happy too! :)
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oh, I know.
the leaders spend many sleepless nights trying to find some way to make you really, really happy! if only they could get you to do the right thing for yourself in spite of yourself, THEN we'd have a giddy, happy, friendly, lovely time! we'd all be beautiful, eating fruits and waiting for the Morlocks to provide innertubes and other floating devices so that no one could accidentally drown in the river!
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eh, not necessarilly a bad thing...just when people actually start thinking the little weasels are trust-worthy...
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