Pianoteq Versus Quantum Leap (MP3 Sample and Review)

[braincell]

In this mp3 file you can hear my playing (which is all that really matters) the Pianoteq Piano first and then the same sequence on Quantum Leap Pianos. I tried to pick the Pianoteq patch which sounds closest to the QL Bosendorfer which I love. That would be M soft. What does "M" mean??? Reverb is turned off on both and there is no processing.

The Pianoteq sounded better than I thought it would and I rate it as quite good but the Quantum Leap Piano sounds better. I think that everyone would agree. There is still a digital coldness to Pianoteq but it's not as bad as before. It's way better than any ROM piano and it is good that it loads quickly, however that isn't a problem for me as I use the Halion Yamaha S80 until I am ready to mix. Ultimately, I look for the best possible sound.

[next to nothing]

"There is still a digital coldness to Pianoteq but it's not as bad as before. It's way better than any ROM piano and it is good that it loads quickly, however that isn't a problem for me as I use the Halion Yamaha S80 until I am ready to mix."

A bit confused, are you saying pianoteq is the best synth piano, or that QL is the best ROM piano?

[braincell]

QL isn't ROM, you could call it a rompler. I was talking about electronic pianos. Judging by the sound of Pianoteq versus QL, the QL is better. If you want something you can load quickly and tweak then Pianoteq is better however I only care about the sound of it not speed of loading and "playability".

[garyb]

a real piano and a great room would be best, then.

[braincell]

No, because that would be expensive, require expensive microphones and preamps and a piano tuner or you would have to learn to tune it and also you could not sequence it with midi nor could you print sheet music from it. You would need space for a grand no wife or roommates because you could not use headphones. You could not easily move it to another room. Real pianos will one day exist only in museums.

[garyb]

but the sound is everything!

also, wives and neighbors that don't love the sound don't belong around musicians...

no midi? that sucks, but hey, gotta learn to play those parts someday...


a real piano won't be beat, but the current romplers and even the pianoteq are good enough that it doesn't really matter, i guess.

[braincell]

You can know how to play and use midi in fact, it works much better that way. If you think all music should be live then you shouldn't even own any recordings. Recordings are how most people experience music 99% of the time. I don't have live musicians to play with and I don't think all music has to be played live. Why are you even in an electronic music group if you think recording is bad? MIDI is a form of recording.

[garyb]

you need to reread my post, i never said any of those things that you bring up.

i don't mind composition, nor midi, nor recording, but even if i hated midi, i could still like recording.

also, i'm not in an electronic music group, although i've certainly made some electronic music. i don't have to live for your definitions of me. i came to Scope for recording people, originally. it still functions for that purpose flawlessly, truly flawlessly.

[braincell]

You wrote:

"no midi? that sucks, but hey, gotta learn to play those parts someday..."

This remark is highly offensive. Are you saying I or midi musicians don't know how to play? Or that midi recording isn't playing? I don't understand this. MIDI is a tool. You are free to use it or to not use it but don't be an ass about it! I don't have to learn how to play because I know how to play. How rude you are! A real piano is inferior in many ways.

[nightscope]

INCOMING!!!!!

ns

[garyb]

You wrote:

"no midi? that sucks, but hey, gotta learn to play those parts someday..."

This remark is highly offensive. Are you saying I or midi musicians don't know how to play? Or that midi recording isn't playing? I don't understand this. MIDI is a tool. You are free to use it or to not use it but don't be an ass about it! I don't have to learn how to play because I know how to play. How rude you are! A real piano is inferior in many ways.

rude?

that comment was all in fun. after all, we've been exchanging ideas and barbs for quite some time. the fact that no midi "sucks", should indicate that i'm not against midi, it's just that you claimed that SOUND was more important than things like playability. i just pointed out the FACT that a real piano in a great room can't be beat(if SOUND is the ultimate parameter to be bowed to, then the discussion is over). i then acknowledged that these other tools might be more useful. if you get too puffed up, one little prick will make it pop. ok, i'm sorry for being a prick.

[braincell]

In fact a "real piano" as you put it, is what samples are.

[garyb]

In fact a "real piano" as you put it, is what samples are.

corrected, this sentence should be:
In fact a "real piano" as you put it, is what samples were.

there's obviously quite a difference between the experience of playing a real piano in a really great sounding room, to playing a sample. although for any particular bit of music, the sample might be more than sufficient. the point was, you called for the best SOUND. no sampled library will react and/or model the true behavior of such a complicated intrument.

[braincell]

A poorly recorded acoustic piano would sound worse than well recorded samples. I am sure you have everything you need and the know how to record it but don't forget you need a $20,000 grand piano and a room with great acoustical properties. I assume that most of us in this group are ultimately more interested in making music recordings than simply playing alone and not recording anything. Once the music is recorded, it was a piano not is anymore. Almost nobody in the world listens to pianos. We listen to recordings of pianos which is what samples are.

[garyb]

you said sound was all that mattered. i don't care what it costs.

any piano player will tell you that even the best library is only an approximation of what happens when a real piano is played. i never said sample libraries were useless or shouldn't be used.

[braincell]

Read the topic.

[garyb]

yes?

they are compared. i listened. i participated with you and your comments. thanks for the thread, have a nice day.

[wayne]

Hey Brain - piano is bad, ok? Bad! Get a tuba. They're good. None of these annoyances will hinder you.

[netguyjoel]

There is a storm coming! I'm heading for the basement! Women and children first! I'll go down with the ship! Bombs away!....God Damn...that was pathetic. sorry....no I'm not!...
weak is weak. I hope you all understand. (not you wayne...you do understand) so do you G

[braincell]

Wayne always weighs in even though he has nothing useful to add.