51 Vote Option

[braincell]

51 vote option! Bypass rethuglicans!

[siriusbliss]

you won't like what they got comin'...

G

[garyb]

please, lower the level of the rhetoric. i thought Rush Limbaugh was stupid and disgusting for that type of politiking, and i feel the same way about the "other" side being that way.

[braincell]

I don't buy the argument that extremists on both sides are the same thing and therefore we should be centrists. I don't buy the argument that all politicians suck either. Ignoring Rush will not make him go away. Flush Rush! I am against tolerance of rethuglicans or working with them in any way, especially when they are in the minority.

[valis]

I don't buy the idea that all of life within a given set of national borders is encapsulated into bipolar points of ideology & politicking. But there is a certain need for some that's catered to in sports games & politics, and it's certainly a time-filling diversion... shouting sports slogans and one-liner political jabs helps 'feel a part of' your chosen pack, no?

[braincell]

It is not a time to be nice to the other side as Obama seems to want to do.

As far as border talk is concerned, this is all about xenophobia. I'm willing to bet your ancestors came from another country and didn't have a hard time getting citizenship and probably all or most of your family has been a benefit to this nation but it seems once they get here, they want to keep others out, especially Mexicans.

[valis]

Xenophobia I can agree with, in the sense that political issues like this help further it.

But can't you see the irony between talking about xenophobia and the argot/slang in your first post?

[braincell]

and your point is?

[garyb]

it's not about centrists or left or right. these are artificial, arbitrary designations that have nothing to do with power or reality. your use of such rhetoric has nothing to do with making anything correct or just, it's only about your favorite team winning. it's a waste of time and human effort, and only serves to further entrench the worst aspects of culture. divide and rule is getting really old, which is not to say "let's be uniters instead of dividers" or anything slogan-worthy like that, let's just drop the bs altogether.

[siriusbliss]

+1

[dawman]

Well for everyone's information, the 51 Vote is designed to bypass fellow Democrats.
Rethuglicans are history, they have zero power, and aren't worth considering.
I guess copy & pasted slogans are eaiser than facing the truth....
The bypassed Democrats are worried about being re-elected because they understand that anyone who rushes this through w/ it's current provisions will be voted out in 2010.
Stimulus money and bribes were negotiated, yet the Blue Dogs didn't budge an inch, so blaming the Bible Thumpers on the right is just a lack of understanding the issues.
Maureen Dowd was following the Pelosi talking points and calling Town Hall people racists because they disagree, but now she is unsure if the Blue Dogs are racists....? Better call Pelosi and see what she should say........well the Blue Dogs are from the South.......they MUST be racists..........
I believe Braincell has succeeded in bringing the issue to our attention, and saved all of us extra keystrokes by not having to visit the Arianna Huffington Post blog.
Therefore you recieve the Bronze Award. Original ideas get the Silver, and the Gold goes to the winners.

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[cortone]

Doesn't look too different from the 6 years of rubber-stamping by the Republicans under Bush, before they lost control of the house in 2006. They didn't even bother to show up to discuss bills, let alone think their way through the votes they were casting. Aside from media-coverage of the whining, anyway.

Substitute "un-patriotic" for "racist" and you have about the same level of rhetoric too.

Jimmy, you don't really believe the Town Hallers (Hollerers?) are really a "grass-roots" movement, do you?

I'll be very surprised if any Democrats are voted out for passing Health Care, unless it ends up appeasing the Insurance Companies by removing anything that might pass for capitalist competition against them.

Cory

[dawman]

No Cory, I know they are not. The media is driven by ratings, these staged incidents give them something for the sheep to watch. I have been around the block and know what these factions are up to.
They will be voted out for pushing the deficits beyond repair.
Everyone knows all Barrack has to do is change the Lawyers cap on lawsuits, and pass laws forcing competition amongst insurance companies.
It was politicians who passed the same laws they hide under now.
They couldn't have a monopoly like they have now w/o polticians passing laws to protect them, all for the right price mind you.
They cause the troubles and then pretend they know nothing as the money exchanges hands.
Threaten polticians w/ votes and losing an election and they pay attention, pretty simple to understand really.

I have voted Repulican, Democrat and Independant.
I try to vote on beliefs and current events instead of saying these guys are the right ones.
That party line thinking is so Khoury League.
I am tired of being lied to over and over. Sure I know Bush and the Rethuglicans played the same games the Dems are doing now, they always have. Both sides pull this shit and we suffer from it.
They are all taking orders from the same money that buys our legislation.
I liked Bill Clinton and the Congress in his first 4 years. They were fiscally responsible.
The last four years were proof of the labor of the 1st 4 years. We had a surplus. Then the Bible Thumpers came and took advantage of a " crisis." They waged war and spent the cash then borrowed more and we voted them out, because of new ideas and promises.
The line by line reading of the bills, and no earmarks, and no lobbyists made me think voting for Obama was right. Oh well, record lobbyists, lawyers, czars and not reading the bills,.......period. So you see why a middle class tax payer can be upset.
And now I see the same game, only for larger amounts of cash, and the same Clinton and Bush people dominating key positions. SO we are bamboozled again, only this time the divisions are much deeper. And I despise the divisive racial tones that are being emanated from these " leaders ". This is dangerous and unnecessary, and it sickens me when I see my son and his Black, Mexican, and Laotian buddies watching this wondering where this hate and racial strife comes from. They don't learn it at school, or on the Basketball court, they learn it from our " leaders."
I await my Spartacus.

[garyb]

you are Sparticus.

[valis]

I really wanted to see Ron Paul have a voice in the last election, and not just because he used to have 'alien disclosure' as a part of his political platform. I really enjoyed (the painful irony of) how he was consistantly referred to as a 'fringe candidate' from the get-go (ie, the media was 'defining' him as that in the popular vernacular) rather than a 'third party candidate', and it was interesting to see how he was consistantly shut out of the debate.

I am curious what would have transpired during the winter had he been allowed to speak up, as he was the only one of our politicians and I would say even political figures (aside actually from a few 'right wing' Christians who I've realized as I've gotten older are actually quite intelligent) to have addressed the issues behind the Fed. & what he was referring to as 'our coming financial crisis' last summer. Meanwhile the dog & pony show was mostly focused on debates over Iraq & occasional discussions about the typical liberal platforms of health care and other domestic/social programs that Obama campaigned on.

[siriusbliss]

I really wanted to see Ron Paul have a voice in the last election, and not just because he used to have 'alien disclosure' as a part of his political platform. I really enjoyed (the painful irony of) how he was consistantly referred to as a 'fringe candidate' from the get-go (ie, the media was 'defining' him as that in the popular vernacular) rather than a 'third party candidate', and it was interesting to see how he was consistantly shut out of the debate.

I am curious what would have transpired during the winter had he been allowed to speak up, as he was the only one of our politicians and I would say even political figures (aside actually from a few 'right wing' Christians who I've realized as I've gotten older are actually quite intelligent) to have addressed the issues behind the Fed. & what he was referring to as 'our coming financial crisis' last summer. Meanwhile the dog & pony show was mostly focused on debates over Iraq & occasional discussions about the typical liberal platforms of health care and other domestic/social programs that Obama campaigned on.

Rep. Paul is still going strong, with current Bill pending that would force auditing of the Fed. It's gained support on both sides of the aisle.

As far as I'm concerned he was the only one who called both sides on their crap.

G

[braincell]

I will never ever support any party which at it's core is supported by gun lovers!

We must rid our nation of this horrible scourge; this insidious, foul technology created ultimately for the sole purpose of killing fellow human beings and animals. That is *not* freedom, not for the innocent victims. That is mayhem. It's the old west mentality and it is pure evil. You have no right to be the judge jury and executioner no matter how much you may disagree with our government and legal system.

At it's heart the republicans also are gun lovers and this issue and many more prove that republicans and democrats are not the same as you keep saying although both support hunting even though most Americans do not hunt. They have to kiss up to rural inbreds for votes. They are still too close for comfort in numbers.

[siriusbliss]

I will never ever support any party which at it's core is supported by gun lovers!

We must rid our nation of this horrible scourge; this insidious, foul technology created ultimately for the sole purpose of killing fellow human beings and animals. That is *not* freedom, not for the innocent victims. That is mayhem. It's the old west mentality and it is pure evil. You have no right to be the judge jury and executioner no matter how much you may disagree with our government and legal system.

At it's heart the republicans also are gun lovers and this issue and many more prove that republicans and democrats are not the same as you keep saying although both support hunting even though most Americans do not hunt. They have to kiss up to rural inbreds for votes. They are still too close for comfort in numbers.

Then they should outlaw your hatred as well...
...and baseball bats, machetes, bad, highly addictive pharmaceutical drugs, oh - and automobiles, since they kill way more people than guns go - as if the cars, guns, bats, and drugs operate themselves .

[garyb]

please stop with the rhetoric and fallacious logic.

"gun lovers" are people. some are good people and some are not. some are the best neighbors and some the worst, just like any other group.