LBH-LE Dual Vintage style Step Sequencer (UPDATE April 2014)

[spacef]

APRIL 19th 2014

LBH-LE Build 78 for Xite-1
Correction of Aux Bleed-over

DOWNLOAD IT HERE

nb: this download requires that you have a key for LBH VIII bundle (Key 8 )
PM me if you have the LBH LE Standalone version only (key 7)
Cheers,
Mehdi



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LBH-LE, dual step sequencer with virtual infinite step/pattern length is available;
- as a standalone product (99 euros)
- as a free download for LBH VIII users (just download and play)

Read more about LBH-LE

Demo available:
Please note: demo is build 32 whereas current release is build 52 or more... so there are modifications and corrections.
Also, the demo already includes osc/filters to make it easy to demo (but you cannot load your own BB osc/filters in the demo)... read more on the demo download page.

You can also ask for a regular demo key at SC when the LBH-LE installation should be available on their FTP, or in the new spacef user area (from where you can download all the keyed-devices, and ask for demos to SC directly).

[dawman]

This is exactly what the Doctor ordered.
I am trying to learn cool synthy stuff where chops have no real place, well I can always play the arpeggiations, but neat percussion style loops of sounds that aren't really even drums help me hear ideas better. I can't help it when I hear an acoustic drum being smacked, I hear Fat Synth licks, this is a new kind of tool for me and already I am becoming inspired to think and play differently.
I am playing this like an old live keyboardist though. I use my Paino tuning rubber wedges to sustain the the chosen triggers/notes and then jam on the upper 3 zones.
The Drum Oscillators are way cool and have nifty GUI's.
My first dual 32 step sequence is using White Noise, and Deep Noise for rhythmic pulsations, and 2 x of Wolf's Room Panners w/ different Reverbs on each effect.
The Room Pan Reverbs are automatically throwing these sounds everywhere.
This is very inspiring.
Thank You Mehdi.

I can understand how to use LBH VIII now also.
This is great, when I decide I have learned the dual 32's well enough I can graduate to the mighty " Octo 32's " and my upgrade is already there waiting for me to learn.....Ankyu.

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[RP_001]

Im very curious! I will try the demo later this day. I tried to load the LBH VIII Full Version demo last week, but it appeared the device is too big to work properly on xite right now.

Would LBH be capable to use with dj programs like traktor ?? Spinning records and mixing them with some live elements from LBH and/or Bowen synths would be awesome!!

This is something i want to do for a long time. Now with all of the great space-f mixers and RDII/Satellites i could easily create my own unique mixers with filters and assign them to a midicontroller.

Only a few weeks removed from my holiday so then i will have a couple of weeks quality time with xite and try some of these things out

[siriusbliss]

I'm happy to see some video demos up on the site.

Is there a way to set it up to follow incoming MIDI notes for real-time arpeggiation and tracking?

Guess I'll have to try the demo

Greg

[spacef]

Hi Greg,
I've read your thread about arpegios and LBH does not have an ability to break down a midi chord yet. If you play a chord, it will take one of the midi note (the last one in general) and trigger the sequence. And arpegiations can be programmed easily in the pitch sequencers, but that's not what you want to achieve.
With a midified guitar, it is not certain that it triggers always the same note so there would be some randomness that is probably not wanted.
When the midi chord can be broken down and managed as it should, then this function could be added, so the arpegios would become gated and pitch sequenced if desired, and other features i thought about but cannot really implement now...

@RP: How do you use traktor with synth ? what you can do is use the X Fader freeware and send a stereo audio to 2 destinations: 1. a mixer for the "dry" sound, the LBH-LE for "gated" sound. Then with the crossfader, you switch from 1 sound to another.

The other answer is that you can remote control the tempo of LBH, and even more, you can set the minimum and maximum of your tempo range so it can get as precise as possible and you know you will not go over those minimal and maximal values. But you need a midi CC assigned to the Tempo knob, that you move with a hardware controller or a midi CC track.

There is an external sync feature, but it depends on the sync that you send to it. Asio sync is often fluctuating. Hardware clocks are often better but cheap ones may present an offset of 1 or 2 BPM eventhough they remain constant... but if you get a stable and right midi sync signal from hard or soft, then LBH is able to sync with no other formality than setting the tempo to "External". The internal sync of LBH is really tight, i mean, if you trigger it with a midi note of a length of even more 1000 measures, LBH will not drift away from your DAW tempo. This internal sync is active wether LBH is tempo is set to internal or external. It means that it is able to interprete tempo very tighly. What it cannot do is to cure the inputed midi clock that it receives. if the input is fluctuating, LBH will be fluctuating too.


Thanks for the multiple reports about xite.
So basically, LBH-VIII and Multisynth, and may be FB5, are too big for xite compatibility mode and need to be upgraded to xite native mode, which cannot be done right now neither, as atoms are currently being optimized at SC labs...

[siriusbliss]

Hi Greg,
I've read your thread about arpegios and LBH does not have an ability to break down a midi chord yet. If you play a chord, it will take one of the midi note (the last one in general) and trigger the sequence. And arpegiations can be programmed easily in the pitch sequencers, but that's not what you want to achieve.
With a midified guitar, it is not certain that it triggers always the same note so there would be some randomness that is probably not wanted.
When the midi chord can be broken down and managed as it should, then this function could be added, so the arpegios would become gated and pitch sequenced if desired, and other features i thought about but cannot really implement now...

understood.
I actually prefer some of the 'randomness' when tracking moving or modulating chords from the guitar. But also, if I sustain a chord, I like to just hit the hold button and jam over top.

Greg

[spacef]

if I sustain a chord, I like to just hit the hold button and jam over top.

This is currently achievable through a sustain pedal (when used with a keyboard at least, that could be merged with a guitar controller).

Do you use another system ? for the moment there is no "button" to assign a CC for a hold function

[next to nothing]

RP/SpaceF, just an uneducated thought. Uneducated because i am not sure how precise the Traktor timestretching algos are.

But Traktor supports multiple decks (file players), you can easily have 4 decks open as an example. Would sync to ramp be an alternative to midi? I mean, If you have a setup with 4 decks, 3 audio outputs could be assigned for mixing while 1 could be playing a ramp signal, syncing the device by audio signals, not midi clock or asio clock?

Not sure if i make myself clear, or if it even make sense

[siriusbliss]

if I sustain a chord, I like to just hit the hold button and jam over top.

This is currently achievable through a sustain pedal (when used with a keyboard at least, that could be merged with a guitar controller).

Do you use another system ? (like a magic switch on the guitar body or something )

The Roland GR-33 has a built-in hold footpedal that does sustain internally, and my old Axon AX-100 handles sustain from any external momentary footpedal.

By the way, I like that you have chord structures built into the step. Nice feature.

Greg

[spacef]

syncing the device by audio signals, not midi clock or asio clock?

Makes sense but sounds complicated for live tempo changes.

[spacef]

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[RP_001]

Waiting for the keys

@Next to nothing;

thanks for tip. As soon as i have my keys i will figure out how everything works, and how to sync to external dj programs like traktor. More should become clear next weeks hopefully.

thanks for the input!

[next to nothing]

don't get your hopes up too high, it was only a brainstorm

[spacef]

The Roland GR-33 has a built-in hold footpedal that does sustain internally, and my old Axon AX-100 handles sustain from any external momentary footpedal.

For the Axxon, then a simple 12 euros Roland DP2 will do the trick i suppose (that's what i use on my keyboard)....
For the Roland pedalboard, I don't know, depends if it sends CC#64 (sustain); if yes, it will work with LBH. If not, then there should be some kind of CC converter in between signals...
This could be achieved with a CC2 device if the pedal boards sends a midi CC (you assign it to the input fader, then one of the Output CC has to be set to #64... I haven't tried but it should work). ... If the roland sends audio signals (GR Rig Kontrol does that) , then it might be extermely difficult to break down the audio signal into various CC values.

I've read the Roland midi is quite slow, and axxon is much faster..
With LBH you really need to play it right to be in sync (at least the first note needs to be "reasonably" quantized (*)- if you play along other drums/instruments - then the next notes don't need to be in sync if you play in "legato mode" (**); only the first latched note (***) triggers the rythm, while legato notes just change the pitch (until the next latched notes - and it is actually something for which I use sustain (ie, i play the first note, I notice that is "quantized", then I press the sustain so the rest can be played slightly off, it won't be heard as it is in sync anyway with the first trigger).

(*) Reasonably quantized: ie it sounds "in rythm". the next notes could be completely off-quantized and it wouldn't matter in legato mode, but you generally want to avoid to unpurposely change the pitch in the middle of a note.
(**) legato mode: is simply portamento with porta time = 0, eventhough I personally like to use longer porta time, because it can be more natural or lively like that... really depends what you play...
(***) latched = damn i forgot how to name the non-legato in normal music language.. "latched" doesn't mean anything, but sounds cool... it's not staccato ... "separato" should do it

[siriusbliss]

The Roland GR-33 has a built-in hold footpedal that does sustain internally, and my old Axon AX-100 handles sustain from any external momentary footpedal.

For the Axxon, then a simple 12 euros Roland DP2 will do the trick i suppose (that's what i use on my keyboard)....
For the Roland pedalboard, I don't know, depends if it sends CC#64 (sustain); if yes, it will work with LBH. If not, then there should be some kind of CC converter in between signals...
This could be achieved with a CC2 device if the pedal boards sends a midi CC (you assign it to the input fader, then one of the Output CC has to be set to #64... I haven't tried but it should work). ... If the roland sends audio signals (GR Rig Kontrol does that) , then it might be extermely difficult to break down the audio signal into various CC values.

I've read the Roland midi is quite slow, and axxon is much faster.. with LBH you really need to play it right to be in sync (at least the first note needs to be "reasonably" quantized - if you play along other drums/instruments - then the next notes don't need to be in sync if you play in "legato mode"; only the first latched note (*) triggers the rythm, while legato notes just change the pitch (until the next latched notes - and it is actually something for which I use sustain (ie, i play the first note, I notice that is "quantized", then I press the sustain so the rest can be played slightly off, it won't be heard as it is in sync anyway with the first trigger).

(*) latched = damn i forgot how to name the non-legato in normal music language.. "latched" doesn't mean anything, but sounds cool... it's not staccato ... "separato" should do it for now

The GR-33 is an older unit, and doesn't send CC's very well. According to the manual, it's able to trick external synths into responding to it's internal arpeggiator. I've only really got it to handle preset changes at best to any usable degree.

The Axon is better at passing CC data through.

I think it comes down to either a Roland FC-300 or Behringer footcontroller and mapping the controllers to the pedals and go from there.

...and external clock sync. helps with timing.

Greg

[spacef]

...and external clock sync. helps with timing.

In LBH, the timing is achieved with the midi note-on message for the moment (that's what triggers the sequencer, while the tempo clock is just the speed of the sequence once the note-on start trigger has been received).

An external clock would help in the case of numerous tempo changes in the track.

Tempo changes can be achieved in LBH with, for example, an expression pedal assigned to the tempo CC receiver poti of the device: you set the min and max tempos in advance, then use the pedal to switch from one to the other. It might be more complex to manage with numerous tempo changes, or to follow a live beat that is ever changing, as you can have only 1 min and 1 max tempo per presets...

I guess the next degree of complexity is to use program changes to switch between several min/max tempo values... but in LBH, it is done more easily using CC values to switch presets in the "preset sequencer" (which can be not sequenced and set to "manual" mode, ie changing presets with CCs or pressing a button..). I always found program changes difficult to manage in scope, that's why I thought pressing a button would be easier to switch presets...

I would need to find a midi guitar controller to go further in this direction.. i have been a bit frustrated myself when trying to use the guitar and play along the LBH, for triggering the start, but also to change the notes... all this kind of stuff is done only with midi "note-on" messages for the moment...

[siriusbliss]

...and external clock sync. helps with timing.

In LBH, the timing is achieved with the midi note-on message for the moment (that's what triggers the sequencer, while the tempo clock is just the speed of the sequence once the note-on start trigger has been received).

An external clock would help in the case of numerous tempo changes in the track.

Tempo changes can be achieved in LBH with, for example, an expression pedal assigned to the tempo CC receiver poti of the device: you set the min and max tempos in advance, then use the pedal to switch from one to the other. It might be more complex to manage with numerous tempo changes, or to follow a live beat that is ever changing, as you can have only 1 min and 1 max tempo per presets...

I guess the next degree of complexity is to use program changes to switch between several min/max tempo values... but in LBH, it is done more easily using CC values to switch presets in the "preset sequencer" (which can be not sequenced and set to "manual" mode, ie changing presets with CCs or pressing a button..). I always found program changes difficult to manage in scope, that's why I thought pressing a button would be easier to switch presets...

I would need to find a midi guitar controller to go further in this direction.. i have been a bit frustrated myself when trying to use the guitar and play along the LBH, for triggering the start, but also to change the notes... all this kind of stuff is done only with midi "note-on" messages for the moment...

I guess I could test it for you, but I don't have it yet.
<budget has me looking at the mixers first>

Greg

[wouterz]

I bought the LBH VIII device a couple of months ago at the Sonic Core shop. Where can I download this (free) LBH-LE device?

[Eanna]

The install is available in the User Downloads section on the spacef-devices.com User Area, under the LBH Sequencers subsection.

[wouterz]

The install is available in the User Downloads section on the spacef-devices.com User Area, under the LBH Sequencers subsection.

Thanks