Propellerhead announced "Record"

[katano]

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/

Cheers

[Zer]

yet another daw.

[katano]

well, it looks promising for jammers, a bit like rifftracker, but better sequencing. also reason instruments are linked if installed. however, i joined the beta test, will let you know if the ssl mixer in it is worth it or not... didn't get my copy yet...

cheers

[braincell]

It has no VSTi support so you are stuck with a limited number of ReWire applications as software synthesizers (I know there are other more complicated ways).

It would be so perfect if only SC implemented ReWire in our Scope cards. That aint gonna happen. They are not with the program.

[siriusbliss]

Yet another DAW in a glutted market full of much more feature-rich hosts.
I don't think their approach and entry into the market will succeed.

Greg

[braincell]

Maybe not because so many people already have a sequencer. If they want it to catch on they will start with a price of $50 but you know it's going to be more like $300. The problem they had with Reason was that it worked so well, there was no reason to upgrade it it. I would be curious if the mixer really does sound like an SSL and the distortion seems like it would be good. It probably is more stable than Cubase. Seems like it is geared towards guitarists though which is odd since most people who sequence are into electronic music.

[dawman]

I have an old friend that made great sample libraries for Emulators and Akai's who makes Reason ReFills now.
I think he still calls himself SonicReality....?
He loves Reason and has about every app and platform you can think of.
According to him the time stretch in reason is it's best feature.
Only Ableton live comes close.
As far as an SSL mixer..........................Where have all the Flowers Gone..
I swear someday these up and coming engineers and performers will eventually be weened off of this SSL/API/ARP2600/ Neve/Trident jive.
It is painfully obvious that new suckers are coming out of the woodwork, or this nonsense would eventually die.
Companies should be proud and name their mixer after themselves instead of doing a piss poor emulation of a famous board, which they will NEVER be close to sounding like.
Years of this lame marketing........I guess it's working or we wouldn't see this pathetic crap still.

Other than that, I hear it's a great application, and will route cream into your coffee as the workflow for the major motion picture you are working on cannot be interupted.....

[Neutron]

I quite like reason except for the tiny interface.
also it is kind of "closed" or i guess they would say you dont need anything else, but at least midi?

[siriusbliss]

According to him the time stretch in reason is it's best feature.
Only Ableton live comes close.

Not sure about that
Live's time stretch (warp) is 'workable' in most instances, but there are other hosts with better native stretch algorithms IMO (Samplitude's Elastic Audio, Cubase's Variaudio, etc.).

I think marketing people are caught up in trying to sell to the younger (i.e. naive) demographic that just want to get in and get stuff thrown together that only has a destination of an mp3 in somebody's earbud somewhere.

It's entirely subjective.

What a bazaar disparate of tools we have available today.

Greg

[braincell]

I quite like reason except for the tiny interface.
also it is kind of "closed" or i guess they would say you dont need anything else, but at least midi?

The problem with the tiny modules is because they try to make it look like hardware. SC does the same thing and I think it's stupid.

I
It is painfully obvious that new suckers are coming out of the woodwork, or this nonsense would eventually die.

I agree which is why SC thinks they can make money on the Xite-1 . Let's hope there will be more suckers so that SC can survive.

[Shroomz~>]

I agree which is why SC thinks they can make money on the Xite-1 . Let's hope there will be more suckers so that SC can survive.

What rubbish. Sonic Core will sell their first batch of XITE-1 units really quickly & not because suckers are buying it, but because it's a great product that's worth every penny. Just because some people can't afford it doesn't say jack shit really. I can't afford a $4000 boutique preamp or a $4000 converter or a $4000 tube comp, but just because I can't afford these things, doesn't mean that I think it's only suckers that buy them. There's a relatively large market for high end studio equipment & at the end of the day, you either want it or you don't, but it's a classic case of envy to label people who DO want it & CAN afford to buy it as 'suckers'.

[dawman]

I am a happy sucker. .....
I saved for 6 months and everytime I stashed away cash for the XITE-1 and Solaris I cringed as it hurt....but, my pain is long gone these days.
And yes it was a gamble, but as we say in Nevada, you can't win if you don't go.

I don't think it's envy, BC's mad because they didn't have 64bit drivers out before everybody else. I am glad they didn't. I have 64bit Reaper, Cubase, Bidule and Kontakt and actually Reaper and Bidule are damn stable. Cubase and Kontakt are still struggling after announcements way before NAMM 2008...
At least NI has a public forum full of BETA testers and developers. I have learned so much from participating in these, and realize more than ever the bravery that SC had to even try this.
So when SC releases their 64bit drivers, I have all the faith in the world for their stability.
The install of the XITE-1 was stable, fast and working within minutes. I can only see this a precursor for what's to come.
I understand BC's bitterness towards the SC developers and forum, and look forward to having more Biased comments in the future.
Somebody's gotta dislike these great products or we would be a forum of shills.....

[astroman]

let me just add that I wasted a few hundreds in cash ... and a grand in time just to make a Pulsar work in a road-compatible 1-unit rack. No success so far, btw.
This sh*t is only easy in theory...
Anyone calling the XITE thingy 'expensive' is beyond his (or her) mind. Or simply unable to judge the package

cheers, Tom

[garyb]

[netguyjoel]

And now I shall rear my ugly head! I have bitten my tongue for too long...and enough is enough! You really want to bait me...me... to speak my mind?? FINE!! Here it goes in a nutshell. I am surrounded by dim-witted flunkies, pretending to know, what it is, they are actually talking about. I am surrounded by it EVERY DAY...AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Propellerhead?? Are you kidding me.....a fan of Propellerhead, (as far as I'm concerned, the majority of their products, deserves to be in the classrooms of elementary school kids. If there is anyone, in the world, that thinks, ANYTHING made by this company, deserves to be in the same solar system, as the Sonic Core/Creamware crew..might as well buy a new pair of Nikies, get a roll of quarters, a purple satin blanket & wait for the space pod, to take them to the mothership! Everyone has to start somewhere. It is a good tool for learning, the ins and outs of some stuff...but to even think...or try to comprehend, that it is even in the same realm of this platform......I see a man in a white lab coat, a couch, and a clipboard in your future! Replies like this will result in further momentary lapses from certain forum members...........
I feel much better now Have a nice day

[firubbi]

xite is expansive because we want it that way....(more dsp.. better sound than before...)
the price will go up in future because we're asking for more i/o :lol
i don't mind.... all pro instruments are expansive. we all know that.

[braincell]

Let's face the facts:

The SC system with or without the Xite-1 does not have decent drum sequencing. The drum machines in SC are an afterthought, pathetic and a total joke. This is important to many electronic musicians.

Reason is easy to use. The GUI is innovative. The exact opposite is true of the SC system. The Xite makes no difference. They didn't work on the sorely tedious tiny knobs and patch cables and tiny modules.

Let's do one thing and do it well rather than trying to have thousands of modules which they abandon to move on to the next project. They could have been developing the modular, making a decent sampler and a drum sequencer. They could have made an audio sequencer like Propellerheads but no, they went to the Xite. There is nothing new about it in the software. Software is what matters. This company has no focus. Pick something and develop it. Don't keep dropping modules to work on new modules or new hardware.

[spacef]

"Let's face the real fact":
Reason's a joke too....the sound is even more a joke..... there is no sound in Reason.... it is pathetic for those who think there is (i have been one... for 2 weeks, what a shame on me...).
the pitch algos on "record" sound cool, on the video demo mp3 (very nice teaser video btw)...

[siriusbliss]

Let's face the facts:

The SC system with or without the Xite-1 does not have decent drum sequencing. The drum machines in SC are an afterthought, pathetic and a total joke. This is important to many electronic musicians.

Reason is easy to use. The GUI is innovative. The exact opposite is true of the SC system. The Xite makes no difference. They didn't work on the sorely tedious tiny knobs and patch cables and tiny modules.

Let's do one thing and do it well rather than trying to have thousands of modules which they abandon to move on to the next project. They could have been developing the modular, making a decent sampler and a drum sequencer. They could have made an audio sequencer like Propellerheads but no, they went to the Xite. There is nothing new about it in the software. Software is what matters. This company has no focus. Pick something and develop it. Don't keep dropping modules to work on new modules or new hardware.

SC's approach and paradigm is NOT the same as all the other software-based companies approach.

You're comparing apples and oranges again trying to make SC to be like the others.

If someone wants to develop a stupid drum step-sequencer or P2 emulator or whatever, then they should do it (oops, I think one already exists - apologies to the developer ). It doesn't HAVE to be SC - that's the whole point. AFAIC SC can just open their SDK komono to someone ELSE that wants to expand the STS - but it's probably too late to develop yet ANOTHER sampler on the market. SC needs to focus on the other more important things (like your 64-bit moohlah) and let the community build itself around design good synths and compressors that DO make a big difference over all the VST's out there (although I have a couple good EQ's and compressors that are pretty handy for now)

SC already has tracking capability built into STS (sort of - just expand the streaming capability), so use it and then dump the tracks into your host-of-choice, yes? But again, I'm already tracking in Samplitude, so I'm satisfied.

Xite is a STUDIO - not a bunch of kitchy software 'modules' with ready-made loops and nifty presets. This is the old-school meets the new-school STUDIO in a rack unit.

The similarites in the overall paradigm overlap, but they are NOT the same.

Greg

[spacef]

the first beta testers have reported that Record is a huge cpu hog... it takes really a lot of ressources even when nothing is recorded yet, and they all hope it is a limitation of the current "demo-beta"....