Windows 7 now has XP mode

[netguyjoel]

http://www.computerworld.com/action/art ... rce=NLT_AM

Pretty good idea for Scope users...

Joel

[Neutron]

I wonder if it will support the XP drivers as well, when in that mode that would be great.

[astroman]

no way, Joel

...Dubbed "Windows XP Mode," the add-on creates an XP virtual environment running under Virtual PC, Microsoft's client virtualization technology within Windows 7, said Scott Woodgate, the director of Windows enterprise and virtualization strategy...

they already did the same trick with NT4 when they released XP - actually it was the reason to aquire Virtual PC and the developing company Connectix in 2003 or so.
You can safely bet your a** that M$ would never ever be able to develope something like VPC on their own... believe me, I've used that product many years in it's original form...

ok, doesn't matter much, but what matters is that there is no access to the 'physical' hardware in the virtualisation.

cheers, Tom

[next to nothing]

As far as i know "xp-mode" in win7 works so much better than in Vista that you can successfully run Scope 4.5 on it (im pretty sure someone confirmed this here), so it's good enough for most of us

The beta is out (and free ofcourse) so if people want to try it they should. Im running it on my laptop (64bit) and its all good.

[netguyjoel]

Has this been tested anywhere?

[valis]

As far as i know "xp-mode" in win7 works so much better than in Vista that you can successfully run Scope 4.5 on it (im pretty sure someone confirmed this here), so it's good enough for most of us

The beta is out (and free ofcourse) so if people want to try it they should. Im running it on my laptop (64bit) and its all good.

Not the same "xp mode", you're thinking of compatibility modes available already. What this is referring to isn't in the current betas (unless it's in the brand-new RC 7100, haven't tried that yet.)

Also since this is virtualization I would expect that hardware support is limited and not direct access, and low latency ASIO (3-12ms) is probably not currently feasable. I expect eventually everything will be more or less containerized, as in virtual machines for specific tasks. Right now though this is just to attempt to encourage companies to upgrade to Win7 imo.

[netguyjoel]

When S|C delivers on the 64 bit driver.....It won't matter anyway...would it?

[valis]

This doesn't matter to Scope users either way imo, unless you have some really old windows app that you want to run containerized and without low-latency audio i/o. Now I could be wrong and they've got some major hooks into the HAL to enable lower latency audio, but I doubt it. Even the better solutions from Parallels, VMWare & Sun (virtuabox) face the same hardware 'virtualization' limitations. Methods of getting around this have to do with recreating API's so that things can run natively under a different OS (WINE for linux for instance). This is what the 'compatibility modes' already do in Vista & Win7 (at least in part.)

If you're interested in checking out Virtual PC as it's available now, here's the link for VirtualPC 2007 (sp1)

I use MS's IE App Compatibility VHD's to test web projects on several versions of IE, these are images put out by MS with basic installations of the associated OS & IE version. The Xp versions are all due to expire end of this month, but MS usually has subsequent versions up immediately after expiry (to keep people developing for IE).

[netguyjoel]

You are so correct! The more I read this, the worse MS XPM, even sounds, imho.

http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/490 ... /186318/0/

As far as i know "xp-mode" in win7 works so much better than in Vista that you can successfully run Scope 4.5 on it (im pretty sure someone confirmed this here), so it's good enough for most of us

The beta is out (and free ofcourse) so if people want to try it they should. Im running it on my laptop (64bit) and its all good.

Not the same "xp mode", you're thinking of compatibility modes available already. What this is referring to isn't in the current betas (unless it's in the brand-new RC 7100, haven't tried that yet.)

Also since this is virtualization I would expect that hardware support is limited and not direct access, and low latency ASIO (3-12ms) is probably not currently feasable. I expect eventually everything will be more or less containerized, as in virtual machines for specific tasks. Right now though this is just to attempt to encourage companies to upgrade to Win7 imo.

[soul-synthesis]

For the record, it's NOT going to work with scope.

It's basically a VM box of XP. Similar to virtualbox, vmware etc. The technology is based on the crap virtual PC 2007.

There's no way in hell it can access the scope card.

[garyb]

...and it doesn't matter anyway because v5 will have vista drivers...