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Fourier synthesis

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Hey,

Does anyone know the feasibility of Fourier synthesis with SFP or Xcite or if it has been done.

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IMHO, and in short: with the current SDK, FFT will not happen either on Scope or XITE.
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at0m wrote:IMHO, and in short: with the current SDK, FFT will not happen either on Scope or XITE.
I think that maybe the Harmonic Effects Bundle made by G.O.S.T involves FFT done in Scope's sdk. I could be wrong in assuming that though, so apologies in advance if I'm spreading misinformation. Maybe tgstgs or someone else can clarify. :wink:
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Re: Fourier synthesis

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you need a sin a cos a mul and a div;
if one gets access to a pi somehow one may do the butterflywalz;
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we experimented a lot with ffts/dfts;
analyzer filter pitchshifter wavetables who knows ?
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thers no classical fft/dft inside the harmonic bundle;
fast fourier isnt fast enough for dynomic!
we found a much smarter way;


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Re: Fourier synthesis

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when surching for a source i realized its written waltz in english!!
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Re: Fourier synthesis

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tgstgs wrote:thers no classical fft/dft inside the harmonic bundle;
fast fourier isnt fast enough for dynomic!
we found a much smarter way;
Sorry, my mistake! :oops:
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its easy to do Fourier synthesis, just not analysis
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Depends on the analysis....STFT could be done on Scope quite easily I bet. You may have to resort to using math modules directly as RedMuze does and deal with the dsp-overhead this creates, but if one were to move beyond the typical FFT eq's & FIR filters I'll bet some interesting Fourier transforms are still out there :P
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valis wrote:Depends on the analysis....STFT could be done on Scope quite easily I bet. You may have to resort to using math modules directly as RedMuze does and deal with the dsp-overhead this creates, but if one were to move beyond the typical FFT eq's & FIR filters I'll bet some interesting Fourier transforms are still out there :P
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Re: Fourier synthesis

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Since we can download devices for demos now, anyone who wants to take a leap into the future should check out the Harmonic Bundle from G.O.S.T.
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yet :D
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Neutron wrote: yes possible but not "easy" :D

and all the best hackers are figuring out ways to steal your identity or make your computer in to a zombie. not working in sdk like they should be.
Right when I said 'easy' I guess I meant that STFT analysis & resynthesis can be less computationally demanding as doing fft based resynthesis, at least according to my experiences over a decade ago using csound. Not having an SDK license here, I'll be quite honest that I've no clue what it would take in scope. :D

Also there has been at least one device on Scope that integrated host-based FFT analysis with Scope, so that's another avenue for doing at least the analysis portion for more complex modelling.
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I like the word " yet ".
Much more than the word " soon. "
We have a Clintonesque definition of that word these days......
He did teach the world how to talk yourself into passing a lie detector test.... :lol:

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Re: Fourier synthesis

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transforming from time to frequency domain and back again is definitive possible;
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the told stft in spezial i never tried;
on the first look its probl. i would see in Mr. Gauß if my read was o.k.;
but thers always a workaround!
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if im allowed to give a hint for one developing without takin your fun:

build a workin butterflynetwork first;
then you are done for 90% of a basic fftstuff;

and alsways think about Mr. Fourier himself!
He had no calculater to press some buttons to get a result;
and he had no sdk with ready made atoms;
so one would say: he wasnt able to do a fft at all; NO?

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its up to the developer how to implement which algo depending on the job to do;
they bsaicaly deliver all the same results _ more or less;
the quality on the job in detail is a direct indicator of the developers time spent on optimizing;


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Re: Fourier synthesis

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So the answer is - yes maybe, and it's kinda been done? :lol:

I'll check out the G.O.S.T harmonic bundle, anyway.

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