just checked out kirk hunter orchestra demos

[kensuguro]

And they're horrible! I found their banner on the northern sounds forum.
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/

I think these products are new, I've never heard about them before.. and costs a hefty amount. And I still can't believe they sound this bad. This is like rompler sounds. GPO sounds much, much better.

[dawman]

Glad you have a good ear Brotha 'Man.

I still think my SISS mini beats the pants off of these 5000 articulations instruments.

Rompler is a good description. Just like Fantoms, Motifs, etc. Having thousands of weak sounds is so jive to me. I can take a single 4 layer sample and edit it to do legato, tremolo, marcato, etc. Just give me the highest quality recording of the instrument, and I'll make it happen.

Too many requests from musicians that do not want to learn the intricacies of the instruments has caused this. Developers think that since the hundreds who make these requests can't perform the basic articulations themselves, therefore they won't know the difference, hence the generic VSTi's that come with such fabulous presets and keyswitches made by the " Pros ".

Even the ancient gigasampler library from Miroslav Vitous sounds better than many of these regurgitations.

You seem like you are skillful w/ editing, etc. Find some old cheap libraries and use your ears.

Besides how can one compose w/ someone else's Crescendo? You have to write around their preset? Some of these guys are trying to make money, not music.

Sadly it seems that when I find a good developer and want to stick with him, he eventually tries to make more money by pleasing the masses.

I really get a kick out of all of the " Sophisticated Conductors " at NS forums that talk as if they were composing movies scores, and their opinions and vast knowledge of music is the final word. I doubt that many of them have sat by the Orchestra Pit on Broadway, or ever been to a symphony. As they try to convince others that their library is the best, blah, blah. Yet they cry and become angry when someone tells them that strings do NOT sound that way in the real world.

They can take their Wolf-Wolf dolls and run back to their bedrooms, or better yet, go see a real performance. How does one reproduce something that they have never felt?

The avatar is way cool too. Was that like 20 years ago?............................Oh sorry.

[dawman]

http://www.ilio.com/miraslov/woodbrass/index.html

http://www.ilio.com/miraslov/perharp/index.html

ebay often has these libraries for dirt cheap, if you have Kontackt and ESC, you could make your own VSTi, and vice versa w/ Gigastudio.

These samples, especially the Legato / Pizzacatos of 23 players is what got everything started. They use to cost 3600 USD !!! I bought both libraries for 325 USD on ebay.

I have never found a single library other than this one that didn't have to be tweaked.

VSL makes incredible instruments but I would have to dissect and re edit their files somehow, if I was lucky enough to find an older pre-proprietary version.

As many get suckered into buying the " Ultimate Strings ", these libraries pop up quite often, and yes, not many want them. They are secret weapons for cheap IMHO.

STS users could do the same amount of tricks and fit several into RAM.

[kensuguro]

what I don't understand is, why would anyone... I'm talking especially people who want to make sales, create a bogus library like this? Just beats me. Makes no business sense.

Anyone else listened to the demos? Ludicrous! (the monkey agrees so too!)

[dawman]

This Dog Will Hunt.

http://cgi.ebay.com/GigaStudio-Library- ... 0248433280


Well to answer your question:

These libraries are time consuming. Once you give it your all, and the sales just don't hit the ROI you had in mind, there's always the consumer approach.

UE did the same thing. Generics pays the bills.

Thankfully I always get compliments from people on my sounds, nobody hardly tells me I have great chops, or a nice ass anymore, so I will take whatever I can get.

Scope and Giga with a decent set of ears can wage serious warfare on the public.

[kensuguro]

lol... would any girl walk up to a keyboardist and tell him he has a nice ass..

[dawman]

I like 'em a little on the trashy side anyway.

In 6 weeks I will fit back into my stage outfits again. The kick bag and Bowflex does wonders if the diet is right, and also the 118 degree garage I do it in.

I am preparing for battle.......Sounds...Chops....& Cheeks.