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Yo, couldn't resist to post the news I got per email, the new mixer from Wolf:

http://web.mac.com/wrueter/wad/devices/ ... Mixer.html

look at those colors Jimmy!

there's a 32 channel version too!

Stylish and functional

ha .. you were faster
official announcement will follow soon.

oha.. ist there also a grey scale version online?

shure, here you go. It's a pic of an older version, though. Some things aren't shown there like mute/solo groups, midi setting button, etc.
However you can download the demo and enjoy it colorless, too :
http://homepage.mac.com/wrueter/dev/16ChaMixer_demo.zip

Argh what with this, space f's mixers and FleXor3 i need more cash. i really want some of wolf's other devices too. Where's that goddamn lottery ticket?

Buy and re sell analog synths on ebay in your spare time. It is an easy way to hook a fish who has money to blow.

I have picked a couple of used synths from people who do not know what they are selling, i.e. pawn shop employees, ebay sellers that are new, etc.

I found my first A16 Ultra listed under gun scopes w/ no reserve and bought it for 300 dollars.

My latest acquisition was a Lexicon Prime Time 93 sold as parts only for 250. It only needed a battery. I will post it for 500 after another week or so, and it will be posted in the proper category.

Creamware is a sort of dish company and often there are cards for 250 to 300 USD lost in it's numerous dishes listed.

Just a tip and a thought if you have any downtime.

Simply have several searches running for gear that re sells quickly, you'll see how many people do not know the value of what they are selling.

isn't this 2 dsp hungry mixers?? (i think i have read somewhere)

DSP conservation versus Sound Quality and Routing............hhmmm.

I'll take the Sound Quality and Routing. I always will have the STM1632 to fall back on for less demanding chores.

Thanks Jimmy et all

Arela, basically mixing uses dsp-power .. the more you mix the more dsp you use.
So I guess your question is more about how much dsp is used.
This depends a lot on how the mixer is used.

One of the intial goals was to have the perfect dsp consumption (this directly corresponds to the 2nd thing below), so I designed each channel in way, that special "areas" of it will be unloaded from dsp, if not used.
I.e. if you use no inserts, each channel actually uses the same or less dsp amount like one channel from the STM series. This changes as soon as you insert fx and start to use busses and custom midi assigments, etc.

Another thing is how much of your available dsp you can really use. As you might know certain parts of the circuit need to be loaded onto one dsp to assure phase coherency.
So if such a "circuit-part" doesn't fit onto dsp4 it says "ok, I'll go to dsp5", leaving some unused "computing-place" on dsp4. This can add up to 20% or more unused dsp-cycles of the whole setup and although it looks like there's still some free dsp left you're unable to add other stuff simply because it doesn't find enough free place on one dsp.

The 16 Channel Mixer was designed to use up to 95% dsp (even 99%, depends on inserted plugins), the STM series drops out at around 80% from my experience. So even if mine uses slightly more dsp, there is no real difference in actual usage.

The 32 Channel Mixer is a bit different in that regard. It needs to load channel 17-32 onto a 2nd board (thus it is a requirement). Otherwise you wouldn't be able to use all channels. I consider this a minor issue since mixing with 16 channels already needs two boards, when doing serious work.
Still you should be able to fill your dsps up to 95 % or more.

Coming to an end of this lengthy explanation about dsp allocation: there is no real "this one uses more/less dsp than that", it depends a lot on actual usage and the flexibility of the internal design .. and last but not least as Jimmy says sound is the final judge.

cheers,
Wolfgang

I see wolf. From your web:

Requirements : A 2nd scope board is not only recommended as with the 16 Channel Mixer, but required to run the 32 Channel Mixer successfully.

I read this as a 14/15 dsp card is needed for getting the most out of the 16ch mixer.

If you wan't to use inserts, etc. -> yes

Currently I am experimenting with the 32 channel mixer for recording, and it seems like a viable solution.

I still have never heard a great sounding master in any sequencer app other than ProTools. Maybe Scope can give Cubase tracks the added sound that seems to be missing in the DAW based apps.

This mixer eats up DSP's for sure, but my hardware effects sound quite stunning, and I have been thinking of a way to use Modular w/ this.

I could record tracks into Cubase 4.0, then send them back to Scope for mastering, where having all of those big poly synths would not have to sit in the project window, and eat up DSP's.

Anyone care to share some ideas on how Modular could be used while recording? It seems to have some endless possibilities.

And what's the big deal w/ Mackie Control.

hey wolf

why aren't you on the third-party developer list on the new soniccore homepage?

cheers
roman

Hehe, I didn't found it too in the 1st run.
-> scroll down to "external ressources"

the wolf lurks in the dark