No sound!

carlobandini · Post by **carlobandini** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:53 pm

Hello, i've recently bought an A16 device to connect it to my pulsar1 card.

I have installed the SCOPE 4.0 plataform, i have connected the adat cables and configured the two devices, but i have no sound!

I have checked all the cables and it seems to be Ok.
I've tested the devices with the scope plataform running and with it stopped.
I've tested it in ADAT slave mode and in MASTER mode, but i still have no sound.

The ASIO interface is recognized by cubase sx3 and by reason 3, but nothing.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:00 pm

you are using the adat source and destination modules in the routing window, no?

carlobandini · Post by **carlobandini** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:52 am

Yes, but in my opinion, i can't do it well.

I have tested all the example configurations, but none of them has the A16 plugged. I tried to make it by miself, but there was no sound.

studioblabla · Post by **studioblabla** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:24 am

Just an idea, don't take it as an answer to your question...

Do you have an A16 or A16 ultra?

I think an A16 can't handle 24bit audio on ADAT. (A16 ultra can do)

Maybe you can try to set the bits in cubase to 16 (xtc mode). or use ASIO 16 bit source/dest.
You can still work in cubase in any bit you want, but I/O wil be 16 bit.

Can somebody confirm or reject my post?

carlobandini · Post by **carlobandini** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:56 am

...Nothing

It don't work at 16 bits.

The device is a plain A16, and it would not be broken.

¿can someone post an exaple of routing the ADAT source/dest.?

studioblabla · Post by **studioblabla** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:23 am

I'll check this evening in the studio.

I have an old A16 somewhere and I'll connect him to my sfpsystem.

Bart

arela · Post by **arela** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:40 am

only adat source here, but just connect the dest where you want them.
http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22803

carlobandini · Post by **carlobandini** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:57 am

I've tested the configuration that is mentioned in the photo, but the audio output is set to "Pulsar 2 analog dest".

The problem is that i can't find any "A16 analog dest" or similar.

Post by **garyb** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:27 pm

are you in xtc mode? if so, then you need to edit the xtcproject.pro and add the adat modules and connect them to asio source/dest.

in scope mode, you just need the modules in the window, then connect the signal source or dest to them. they work.

the A16 won't be seen inside the sequencer!

studioblabla · Post by **studioblabla** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:27 pm

just did the test.

I unplugged my motu 2408 which I use as DA convertor.
Plugged the optical cable i may old A16.And without any software changes: SOUND. (I thought the A16 is 16/18 bit. Where are the other bits from my 24 bits signal?)
Nice to hear the different in sound of the motu 2408 MK II and the A16.

So no settings needed. (I thought i would need a dither to 16 bit...)

connect your asio source to a mixer.
the LR of the mixer to the analog out (to check if there is really a signal)
the LR of the mixer also to the pulsar ADAT A 12 destination (or whatever your card is)

play your cubase. see if the lights the meters of the mixer are flashing.
check the master level meter. check the analog out if there is signal en your A16 should work too. check master/slave configuration. scope master, A16 slave.

If you use the xtc mode, you can directly select the adat out in cubase.

good luck.

Bart

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:37 pm

Hi Carlo,

The A16 is connected through the ADAT ports of the card, as you said, so in the project it is represented by the ADAT modules.

The ADAT source is the port that brings your instruments connected to the A16 to the Scope project, the ADAT destination is where you have to connect the sound from inside the project to be sent out.

In the Scope project the hardware I/O modules represent the physical connections of the card from the point of view inside the project.

Check also that you have properly connected inputs and outputs and that you load and connect to the scope mixer or monitor output the correct modules (ADAT A or B).

I hope this can solve your problem.

carlobandini · Post by **carlobandini** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:45 am

To garyb:

I don't know really what is XTC, but i tested the XTCProject.pro routing the outputs to the ADAT-A dest (1,2) , but no sound. ¿?¿?¿

To Studio blabla:

>connect your asio source to a mixer.
Ok

>the LR of the mixer to the analog out (to check if there is really a signal)
I don't have the analog output cable.

>the LR of the mixer also to the pulsar ADAT A 12 destination (or whatever your card is)
Ok.

>play your cubase. see if the lights the meters of the mixer are flashing.
Ok, the lights are flashing. (that's new for me)

>check the master level meter.
Ok

>check the analog out if there is signal en your A16 should work too.
I can't do it without the cable.

>check master/slave configuration. scope master, A16 slave.
¿the light of the A16 must be in "optical" position?
If it's correct, then i have no sound.
I've checked the six posible combinations of the two butons on the front side panel of the A16, but nothing...

I'm beginning to be desperate.
¿may i need a special cable (mono to stereo or similar)?

To Alfonso:

>Check also that you have properly connected inputs and outputs and that you load and connect to the scope mixer or monitor output the correct modules (ADAT A or B).

That's the question, i don't know if i'm make it well, there are too many cables and connections for me.

carlobandini · Post by **carlobandini** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:32 am

It sounds!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you all wonderful people that has help me.
I've reinstalled all and i've routed all the devices, then it has work!!.

I'm very greatful.

studioblabla · Post by **studioblabla** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:15 am

nice for you. enjoy your sfp!

Can someone look at my question of the lost bits when playing to an 24 bit DA converter or playing to an 16 bit convertor?

(maybe I should open a new topic)

Bart

Post by **garyb** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:17 pm

carlobandini-

studioblabla-when you connect a 24bit source to a 16bit destination, the lower 8bits are truncated, no problem unless the source is extremely dynamic. dither would help in that case. connecting a 16bit source to a 24bit destination results in 8bits of headroom. no problem....

studioblabla · Post by **studioblabla** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:44 pm

thanks for the explanation.

Bart