Anyone wait a software update?

[cannonball]

Hi
just waitin some news from SoniCore
i'm just ask myself if the current platform could be improve before the new cards ,what i mean for example a more simple xtc or new vst integration inside Scope, and whatever is possible (like a Stereo Vdat or a new Software editing with 96khz 32bit caspability),or the maximum od the current platform is 4,5and we can't get nothing more?
does improve the current platform need too much time and noone want do this dirty job?
someone from sonicore or indsp could revealed some bad or good news?
i know i'm touching one delicate issue, but we are all in the same boat
ciao a tutti
i have just bought the Adern update

alessandro

[hubird]

nr.1: new sharcs integration and new PCI support
nr.2: Vista and OSX
from Sonoccore and indsp we won't hear anything untill it's ready, as usuall in business

[hifiboom]

for the old platform I hope for
(1) a vista driver, so we can use these cards another decade although I see no point for upgrading to vista at the moment.
(2) and more of these high class synth emulations, like arp2600, oberheim, eLKA....
seriously I buy everything without demoing if its in the same class as the mini, pro and prodyssey. (personally I think the prodyssey has the best sound of all cw synths and as far as I know its CW latest synth)
so why not come up with some more of these.

the platform and the sdk in the hands of the developers make it so easy to build high class synths, much easier than coding them them with a basic programming language, so I don`t understand why soniccore just come up with 3 antialiased synths. The major thing is modelling and recreating filters and oscillators and fine tune the faders and knobs and they know the tricks already..

(3) maybe some small bugfixing

if 1-3 comes in form of a new card layout I am happy too.

[astroman]

... I don`t understand why soniccore just come up with 3 antialiased synths. The major thing is modelling and recreating filters and oscillators and fine tune the faders and knobs and they know the tricks already...

well, you just answered your own question - the point would be to model the irregularities of analog hardware, not just an 'antialiased filter'
which needs a couple of vintage originals, measurement and a lot of time
in particular that time is invested currently into the design of an outstanding hardware synth, that can easily compete with the most famous vintage gear - except in the domain of sentimentality

cheers, Tom
- first things first -

[kylie]

Sorry, but i am not interested in announcements, I plead for tangible facts.

that always reminds me of DNF

[Lima]

I hope in the small bugfixes... I don't want to buy a brand new pc just to run the heavy and ugly vista and to do the same things I do now with win 2000v

Linux and OSX support could be very very interesting tho.

[Crickstone]

I have no interest in Vista either. My Scope makes the noise not my OS. I have Windows down to the bare minimum. It took me so long for everything to play together that I am loathe to introduce anything new. 4.5 works great so does Cubase SX2. It's music making time for me not dick around with my computers. Just my two cents worth. But I suppose from the marketing standpoint Vista should be an option.

[hifiboom]

... I don`t understand why soniccore just come up with 3 antialiased synths. The major thing is modelling and recreating filters and oscillators and fine tune the faders and knobs and they know the tricks already...

well, you just answered your own question - the point would be to model the irregularities of analog hardware, not just an 'antialiased filter'
which needs a couple of vintage originals, measurement and a lot of time
in particular that time is invested currently into the design of an outstanding hardware synth, that can easily compete with the most famous vintage gear - except in the domain of sentimentality

cheers, Tom
- first things first -

seriusly Tom,
I think the main reason creamware didn`t build further scope plug-ins in the last years were of political nature and not because of the high amount of time.

For sure a careful emulation needs time. I meant its easier wit scope to model a synth by building a rough structure using existing modules form the SDK and then start tweaking the modules or bulding new ones for a authentic emulation.
A rough basic structure of a synth with sdk can be done in 1 or 2 days if you are familar with the sdk.
For sure this is not yet a true emulation but a rough basic synthstructure to start with and get some audio-output, you need to investigate more time into the critical components of the synths layout like the filter and oscillators and maybe some other components, design a surface and make it behave like the real synth.

The question is more what are soniccore intrests as a company.
-Do the have interest to get a synthsizer company and only continue with ASB lineup and hardware synths like solaris.
-do they want to reactivate and support the old scope platform with new software stuff?
-or just start new with a newer scope card

IMO scope is dead form creamware side since 2003/2004

They mainly concentrated on ASB stuff.

At the very beginning scope was the "studio-in-a-box" idea. I hope they go back to the roots.

[hifiboom]

I have no interest in Vista either. My Scope makes the noise not my OS. I have Windows down to the bare minimum. It took me so long for everything to play together that I am loathe to introduce anything new. 4.5 works great so does Cubase SX2. It's music making time for me not dick around with my computers. Just my two cents worth. But I suppose from the marketing standpoint Vista should be an option.

I aggree nobody needs vista at this point.

But its likely that the DAWs manufacturers maybe upgrade in the future and there could be restrictions like: we only support vista from that time...

then a new driver could assure our investments for future use.

at this point there really is no need for using a buggy new os.

[hubird]

hm, I still think new (faster) cards are possible to come.
don't hope we slowly die out...

[garyb]

there is NO future in ASB boxes or Solaris(as great as that synth will be).

both those items will sell, but only to a very limited audience, high-end synth players.

scope cards sell to synth players and engineers and home recordists and.....scrapping scope is suicide .

[Lima]

well I'm proud to be that kind of dinosaur

Seriously I think that the idea of a studio in a box isn't so bad.
All the people (or the most of) out there that buy tons of VST plugz are doing the same:
they buy for example
kontakt to have a sampler,
Reason to have some synth and a sequencer/mixer
Izotope to make some mastering
etc...
And there are plenty of multi in/out board like the motu ones (for example) or USB mixers/interfaces (like the alesis ones for example)

All those people is trying to make a whole studio inside their box (the windows PC) for example

[hifiboom]

good points hifi,

From my point of view and grossly simplified creamware died off 2 times for the 'studio in a box' idea.

soniccore is cashing out scope and it's ok
They now base their future on ASB and the amazing Solaris HW.

So it seems that selling HW boxes with good algorithms is more lucrative than selling the idea of a universal HW platform with various akgorithms.

I don`t know if that is correct at all?

From what I know cw died off two times.

(1 time) after noah project (hardware)
(2 time) after their asb development (hardware)

I think their original idea "studio-in-a-box or card" was well ahead the time back in 1998/1999. maybe even too early.

Now the cards are well more affordable and I think we all agree that the newer synth plug-ins and fx sound way better than the early ones.
That shows us that creamware has gained knowledge especially in the pro-audio area.
I think many pros have jumped over to work with PC based DAWs, so I think the times are even better for a "stuio-in-a-box-card" and Soniccore is the only manufaturer that has the knowledge to build and deliver a complete high quality solution in every erae, concering a good soundcard, highly flexible routing, synths that compete with hardware quality synths and also great fx.

More important in the last 9 years CW gained know-ledge as a synth-developer. We all know thats it is the know-how that companies keep so well.
Lexicon, TC, Access,... they all have gained their experience in their field...
CW has gained experience in allmost every area of pro audio tools.

I think a scopeII has an even much better chance of success than the previous cards.
There are more pc-based pro audio users available these days and even more hobby users. CW has gained reputation and knowledge and more important they have a brand and name for building "high quality synths".
chips have become more powerful and more cheap too.


UAD and Powercore show us that supported platforms are proper buissness models.
I think Scope has a future. Even the old cards.

[astroman]

...seriusly Tom,
I think the main reason creamware didn`t build further scope plug-ins in the last years were of political nature and not because of the high amount of time...

what else but a company policy decision could it be anyway ?
there is no lack at all of great sounding synthesizers on this platform - in fact I have more than I could ever play.
From time to time it's even irritating me as I simply cannot make use of them the way they deserve. There is so much deepth in these instruments.

But I've seen the new Solaris taking things a bit further, based on a new unmatched audio quality and most of all it's hands-on user interface.
SonicCore didn't start out as a company to save Scope - they started to give John's concept of a synth (based on all his experience and dreams) a physical shape.
Of course adressing a limited audience, but with a fair market chance.

The rights to exploit Scope technology came later - and I think it's reasonable to assume their willingess to keep up support is a clear decision for a future of the platform.

It will survive, it will benefit from the new developements and it will most likely be driven to a new ergonomic mode of operation.
Imho that's the biggest drawback of the system currently - there has always been a great potential, which never could be used to it's full capabilities.
The guys at SonicCore are no beginners, they certainly are aware of this.

cheers, Tom

[hubird]

and it will most likely be driven to a new ergonomic mode of operation.

a (faster) card and a touch screen based hardware interface for studio setup and synth/fx editing, is that what you're thinking of...?

[dawman]

The Prodyssey was a great emulation. The preset called Rich Pad was an example of the sound of the ARP, with out the restrictive duo poly that made that synth so popular. The idea of having an ARP with 8 voice poly is reason enough for a purchase.

Flexor III has really got me stoked this summer too, as well as DAS, SpaceF, MCCY, Shroomz II ( ? ), SHARC, Bowens ProOne version 3, and others also. I wish that someone here would buy the new SonicCore synths that were unfortunately released when Flexor III came out. I would love to hear some of my Brotha's comment on them as they seem like a fresh approach to performance, and they look awesome too. Anyone tried these yet?

[hifiboom]

and.....scrapping scope is suicide .

[hifiboom]

so why do you use a scope card then?

I really think you forget the quality aspect.

UAD an TC cards postion themselfs also on the market and they sell them these days too.

the question is not how many plug-ins are available for VST and how many you can load, but more how good they sound.

And if you look to the more detailed modelled synths (expensive vsts) they pretty much eat up cpu too. Same with high quality fx.

I`m pretty sure the tiger sharcs are way more powerful than current cpus concerning audio tasks.

If users dream about such a product then there is for sure a possibilty to make a buisness from it.

[hubird]

if SC could get the XTC mode working as plug 'n play Scope could get big.
otherwise... I dunno, so much things that are unsure, developers costs are huge.
Old users like us won't invest in the new cards so fast I guess, and you need a lot of good press to attract thousends of new users.
The recent new soft synths aren't relevant at all in this context.

[garyb]

face it.
scope AS IT IS has NO competition.
i can still sell these to happy customers just as they are, and my customers are thrilled with what they can do and how it sounds. their computers are always enhanced and more functional after the scope cards.

if SonicCore wants to make money, they can definitely continue to do that with the current system. remember, this forum is mostly synth guys, but scope is VERY attractive to recording and audio engineers of ALL types of music, not just electronica.

what IS needed is Vista drivers. new pcs come with Vista, and so new buyers will want to see that the software works with at least one of the current, new operating systems. this will take less money than a new product and will take SonicCore into the future, where a new product can be introduced.

without Vista support, Scope is done. without Scope, SonicCore is done. ASB boxes and Solaris will NOT keep the company going even one more year.

speaking of this, cutting off North American support and distribution WILL KILL SoniCore as well...........

i'm waiting on Jurgen and Holger! they claimed to be Scope's savior when they bought the technology(OH YES, THEY DID!!!! continuing sales, support developement and production was the promise). it's time to step up! i have people telling me that U.S. customers can't even buy the BX update with a credit card! i can no longer get product. WHY?


rantin' and ravin' already.....