I actually have been given a list of songs to learn that I never played, but have some cool B3 parts, as weel as synths.
Windows Media Player seemed like an easy solution, but i am used to sequencers where you can make cue tracks, and create little learning loops, an awesome advantage when learning. But WMP has only pause and play, seek, weak, etc. Is there something available as shareware that i can use 4 such duties. These tunes i have to learn have some really fast chops, and I am in a pinch to learn these by tonight. I will succeed w/ or w/o the cues I seek, but I really wish to have fun b4 I travel.
All of my SFP projects have the proper 24 bit WAVE source module connected, so learning quickly is a breeze.
I will go get started listening and learning, in hopes of returning to see a reply.
The first song is the B3 intro to Boston's Long Time, it's a great B3 part and must be performed judiciously, none of the lazy " my rendition B.S. here as the composers part as usual w/ these classic rock hits cannot be outdone.
Off I Go Into The Wild Scope Yonder,...
Windows Media Player
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hubird
O.K. Professor, what made you think I was that capable ? Thanks for the reply, but I'm taking lessons on the phone 4 Cubase tonight, and have seen videos, and still struggle w/ it's application of bussing, building MIDI projects, etc.
I'm glad you think I'm smart, thank you. I just an old chop hound, trying to stay in his saddle. I use to also use a Marantz tape and CD player that slowed the song down, but that dog no longer hunts, hence the need for a replacement.
Who knows, it just might all come tegether tonight w/ my C4 lesson. Once I get up to speed I will be able to use my hardware experience and old bags of tricks w/ MIDI, etc. But right now I am paddling upstream w/ one oar.
That makes sense though, record the track into Cubase and do slow motion on solos from Charlie Parker and such, like I use to do in Theory / Comp classes. It builds major chops.
The first time I used the half speed tape was 4 Keith Emersons 3 Fates. I spent so much time learning that, and play it so well still, but the audience doesn't seem to care one IOTTA !! That sucks, as I am so used to recieving applause on solos, and when I do that solo I feel as though I am in the Video from Phil Collins SuSuSudio, where they played live in a bar, ended a number and nobody clapped. It sucks so bad I loaded my Gigastudio applause patches that are very good to wake the dead with.
I get enough attention, so I'll stop crying about it, but damn that solo was the hardest peice I ever learned w/o having a chart or sheet music. Yeah that's a good number 4 the " Please stay seated " remark of mine.
Thanks Brosky,
JV
I'm glad you think I'm smart, thank you. I just an old chop hound, trying to stay in his saddle. I use to also use a Marantz tape and CD player that slowed the song down, but that dog no longer hunts, hence the need for a replacement.
Who knows, it just might all come tegether tonight w/ my C4 lesson. Once I get up to speed I will be able to use my hardware experience and old bags of tricks w/ MIDI, etc. But right now I am paddling upstream w/ one oar.
That makes sense though, record the track into Cubase and do slow motion on solos from Charlie Parker and such, like I use to do in Theory / Comp classes. It builds major chops.
The first time I used the half speed tape was 4 Keith Emersons 3 Fates. I spent so much time learning that, and play it so well still, but the audience doesn't seem to care one IOTTA !! That sucks, as I am so used to recieving applause on solos, and when I do that solo I feel as though I am in the Video from Phil Collins SuSuSudio, where they played live in a bar, ended a number and nobody clapped. It sucks so bad I loaded my Gigastudio applause patches that are very good to wake the dead with.
I get enough attention, so I'll stop crying about it, but damn that solo was the hardest peice I ever learned w/o having a chart or sheet music. Yeah that's a good number 4 the " Please stay seated " remark of mine.
Thanks Brosky,
JV
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hubird
I thought you explored Cubase already 
I can understand you need time, even myself struggled to get used to Cubase SX coming from old Cubase 5 VST.
But this is maybe a good start to begin with:
Import the audio track you wanne study, and make sure the part starts actually at bar one (zoom in and adjust the part's startpoint with the little cornerflag on the left, but de-activate quantizing first, with the right tool in the tool bar).
Adjust the ASIO output of the track to monitor through Scope.
Activate the tempo click (transport bar).
Play the track and adjust the tempo roughly to that of the track, a few bars somewhere in the track in sinc is enough.
Zoom in on a number of lets say 16 or 8 bars.
Zoom in much more at the end of your selection.
If you look at (preferable) the kick at the transition of bar 17 (or9) while adjusting the tempo settings, possibly only the decimals behind the comma, you'll see the 'picture' of that kick move to left or right, depending from up or down scaling the tempo.
Make sure to put that kick on the precise 'one', and there's you song tempo.
Now at least that part of the track is in sinc with Cubase tempo, and if the track is tight the whole track is about in sinc.
Now you can create left/right locator cycles to study anywhere from the song
Make sure you define that tempo as the Song tempo in the Song Temp Track, in the Project Menu, prevending an occasional tempo delete.
There's a simple solution also.
Take a cut from the audiofile you wanne study, (make sure you de-activate quantizing when performing the cuts, there's a tool in the tool bar), use the audio file waveform to cut precisely.
Copy that 'selection' to another track, and use the shortcut Controll+P (if I'm right on that) to place the locators automaticly at the start- and end point of that part.
Play it in cycle mode...
You must of course create a Midi track to forward your Midi playing to the synth of your choice, activate the little track speaker button to activate forwarding.
good luck
I can understand you need time, even myself struggled to get used to Cubase SX coming from old Cubase 5 VST.
But this is maybe a good start to begin with:
Import the audio track you wanne study, and make sure the part starts actually at bar one (zoom in and adjust the part's startpoint with the little cornerflag on the left, but de-activate quantizing first, with the right tool in the tool bar).
Adjust the ASIO output of the track to monitor through Scope.
Activate the tempo click (transport bar).
Play the track and adjust the tempo roughly to that of the track, a few bars somewhere in the track in sinc is enough.
Zoom in on a number of lets say 16 or 8 bars.
Zoom in much more at the end of your selection.
If you look at (preferable) the kick at the transition of bar 17 (or9) while adjusting the tempo settings, possibly only the decimals behind the comma, you'll see the 'picture' of that kick move to left or right, depending from up or down scaling the tempo.
Make sure to put that kick on the precise 'one', and there's you song tempo.
Now at least that part of the track is in sinc with Cubase tempo, and if the track is tight the whole track is about in sinc.
Now you can create left/right locator cycles to study anywhere from the song
Make sure you define that tempo as the Song tempo in the Song Temp Track, in the Project Menu, prevending an occasional tempo delete.
There's a simple solution also.
Take a cut from the audiofile you wanne study, (make sure you de-activate quantizing when performing the cuts, there's a tool in the tool bar), use the audio file waveform to cut precisely.
Copy that 'selection' to another track, and use the shortcut Controll+P (if I'm right on that) to place the locators automaticly at the start- and end point of that part.
Play it in cycle mode...
You must of course create a Midi track to forward your Midi playing to the synth of your choice, activate the little track speaker button to activate forwarding.
good luck
Last edited by hubird on Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:31 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Brotha' Man Hubird,
You're a gentlemen, and a scholar, thanks.
I know that took some time to write out, thank you.
I will use this. I already got the B3 part on the Boston number. It was a classisc organ part I should have known already. Old dogs can learn new tricks I guess. It sounded more involved than it really was. A large amount of 16th note triplets. It has the drawbars and Leslie showing off also.
I had Mehdi just make me a device I recived today that was specifically made to be used w/ the B2003. I send 1-5 MIDI CC# changes to the drawbars that are all connected to the one reversed fader on my KS88, so I can bleed in the drawbars while stomping on the rotary cabinets speed switch, and it works flawlessly. I can do every different version of the B3 from Yes, to Steppenwolf, ELP, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Boston, Janis Joplin, etc. etc. etc. It's awesome to play this modelled organ through the FAT BASTARD mixer and a real rotary cabinet.
Thanks Again 4 The C4 Lesson,
You're a gentlemen, and a scholar, thanks.
I know that took some time to write out, thank you.
I will use this. I already got the B3 part on the Boston number. It was a classisc organ part I should have known already. Old dogs can learn new tricks I guess. It sounded more involved than it really was. A large amount of 16th note triplets. It has the drawbars and Leslie showing off also.
I had Mehdi just make me a device I recived today that was specifically made to be used w/ the B2003. I send 1-5 MIDI CC# changes to the drawbars that are all connected to the one reversed fader on my KS88, so I can bleed in the drawbars while stomping on the rotary cabinets speed switch, and it works flawlessly. I can do every different version of the B3 from Yes, to Steppenwolf, ELP, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Boston, Janis Joplin, etc. etc. etc. It's awesome to play this modelled organ through the FAT BASTARD mixer and a real rotary cabinet.
Thanks Again 4 The C4 Lesson,
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hubird
thanks, that will jack up my public image here a bit, hopefullyscope4live wrote:Brotha' Man Hubird,You're a gentlemen,
Btw, Ableton Live is probably easier to use for studying audio, as it is better suited to manipulate the audio regarding play speed (at the same pitch), but I can't give you any details as I don't use that program.
Wish I could play keyboard, the sounds of the B'3 are killing, even to my electronic ears
post a mp3 of your life act once, would like to hear you doing that stuf.
I have an original I just wrote last week and it went over great @ the gig. I have named it " The Dance Of The FAT BASTARDS ", in my quest to have the FATTEST, disgustingly obese, synth sound, I could'nt write, but rather felt this one out. I envisioned how difficult it is for FAT people to dance, hence the groove which is reminiscient of Weather Reports " Punk Jazz ". The dancers can groove up and down 4 some real earth shakinn' Fatness. Soon my friend, very soon.
JV
JV
ableton live. the best in real time creations.
http://www.ableton.com/
very stable and you can load allmost all of your plugins, synths and effects and all will be syncronized to the tempo you choose.
i haven't been working live with it but i asume it is stable as well on stage.
many djs use it and load tons and tons of wavs all syncronized easilly as a game.
even if you make your job in another way, its worth it to try it.
http://www.ableton.com/
very stable and you can load allmost all of your plugins, synths and effects and all will be syncronized to the tempo you choose.
i haven't been working live with it but i asume it is stable as well on stage.
many djs use it and load tons and tons of wavs all syncronized easilly as a game.
even if you make your job in another way, its worth it to try it.
