http://www.climatecrisis.net/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUiP6dqPynE
That's what we are truly facing now...
An Inconvenient Truth - A Serious Matter...
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An Inconvenient Truth - A Serious Matter...
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once again, our activities exasperate the problem, but climate change is coming anyway. in human history, there have been many such climate swings often with disastorous effects. it doesn't help that the sun is at it's most active state in at least 100 years. world government and treaties won't save you.
not every 100,000years at all. much shorter intervals.
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/5200event.htm
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... mchng.html
the medieval period was a very warm period. the 1500s much of europe was frozen because of an extreme cold period. check the temperatures and the clothing of the periods.
you can't stop climate change, nor should you. this place is dangerous. by the same token, there's no reason to hasten change either. the rest is fear mongering and a reason to control people. i'd rather we be more free than less.
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/5200event.htm
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land ... mchng.html
the medieval period was a very warm period. the 1500s much of europe was frozen because of an extreme cold period. check the temperatures and the clothing of the periods.
you can't stop climate change, nor should you. this place is dangerous. by the same token, there's no reason to hasten change either. the rest is fear mongering and a reason to control people. i'd rather we be more free than less.
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hubird
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hm, and you think these threats are gone, solved by the wind?
Next 100 years all these devellopments will meet the upwarming proces caused by nature and mankind.
'Granddaddy, how come all opa's and oma's didn't wanne know what was coming?' is the question that will be put to you
Here in Holland people are slowly accepting already that in a 60 to 100 years or so we have to leave the western part of our country, as it's too low beneath the see level.
Architects already have constructed houses that simply start floating when the water comes temporary, but it's also clear that you can't builtd a nation on this idea
Dutch water management experts are helping the Americans at New Orleans to set up a water defense system that should protect the people against the water at a risk level of 200 years (related to the chance of a hurricane of a certain power).
We in Holland did choose in the recent past for a protection level of 1200 years...reduced already to a humble 100 years or so now.
I just wanne say, there's some experience and knowledge in Holland, Spirit...
Whatch the Dutch, simply whatch the Dutch, and follow them moves...
Next 100 years all these devellopments will meet the upwarming proces caused by nature and mankind.
'Granddaddy, how come all opa's and oma's didn't wanne know what was coming?' is the question that will be put to you
Here in Holland people are slowly accepting already that in a 60 to 100 years or so we have to leave the western part of our country, as it's too low beneath the see level.
Architects already have constructed houses that simply start floating when the water comes temporary, but it's also clear that you can't builtd a nation on this idea
Dutch water management experts are helping the Americans at New Orleans to set up a water defense system that should protect the people against the water at a risk level of 200 years (related to the chance of a hurricane of a certain power).
We in Holland did choose in the recent past for a protection level of 1200 years...reduced already to a humble 100 years or so now.
I just wanne say, there's some experience and knowledge in Holland, Spirit...
Whatch the Dutch, simply whatch the Dutch, and follow them moves...
well, this essay has already been quoted, but it's worth considering again
regardless what the black hole at the center of the galaxy provides as a surpise...
earth isn't safe anyway - how about some super-volcanos ?
or as the android in Blade Runner ended
...I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time to die.
cheers, Tom
maybe something big is coming, maybe not...... This essay is not contrived upon sketchy evidence. It basically rests upon two facts:
1) the well known end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count, which is December 21st, 2012 A.D. and
2) the astronomical situation on that day. Based upon these two facts alone, the creators of the Long Count knew about and calculated the rate of precession over 2300 years ago. I can conceive of no other conclusion. To explain this away as "coincidence" would only obscure the issue.
For early Mesoamerican skywatchers, the slow approach of the winter solstice sun to the Sacred Tree was seen as a critical process, the culmination of which was surely worthy of being called 13.0.0.0.0, the end of a World Age. The channel would then be open through the winter solstice doorway, up the Sacred Tree, the Xibalba be , to the center of the churning heavens, the Heart of Sky...
regardless what the black hole at the center of the galaxy provides as a surpise...
earth isn't safe anyway - how about some super-volcanos ?
or as the android in Blade Runner ended
...I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time to die.
cheers, Tom
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061117/ap_ ... conference
sigh.... why is it so hard to understand that you really can't put economy in front of the well being of.. earth??The 1997 Kyoto pact obliges 35 industrial nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases by 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012. The United States rejects that accord, with President Bush contending it would damage the U.S. economy and should have given poorer countries obligations as well.
as long as regular folks prefer low prices over rolling storage space on highways ('just in time/built to order), the average (German) citizen owns 2 cars, speed limits on the Autobahn are considered a sacrileg, agriculture is performed like an industry and millions of tons of obscure chemical products fro civil households pollute the environment - I have no problem with the (possibly) most stupid of all white men... 
cheers, Tom
sh*t I threw the Science mags from the 80s away on my last move - would have been interesting to check how much of the predictions became true...
cheers, Tom
sh*t I threw the Science mags from the 80s away on my last move - would have been interesting to check how much of the predictions became true...
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What is going inside mankind is going on outside as well...
We are divided inside ourselves, so we divide from each other in the outer world, we divide countries, and we divide people and trace lines called frontiers, which are nothing but a dream to own nature, when nature has always owned us.
We have taken nature as something to take from and through onto it the remains of our covetousness, it is hard to find communities that do something for nature in a conscious way. We tend to thing about nature when we get the string in the neck and are ready to be hanged!
It is possible that Al Gore is searching some conveniences, but this is not the point here, the point is that all these pieces of information are unfortunately, absolutely real. But we keep destroying the world faster and faster as we have bigger and bigger machinery.
We are divided inside ourselves, so we divide from each other in the outer world, we divide countries, and we divide people and trace lines called frontiers, which are nothing but a dream to own nature, when nature has always owned us.
We have taken nature as something to take from and through onto it the remains of our covetousness, it is hard to find communities that do something for nature in a conscious way. We tend to thing about nature when we get the string in the neck and are ready to be hanged!
It is possible that Al Gore is searching some conveniences, but this is not the point here, the point is that all these pieces of information are unfortunately, absolutely real. But we keep destroying the world faster and faster as we have bigger and bigger machinery.
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hubird
mankind just started to think across national borders since a few (hundreds of) years
It will take a few years (centuries probably) before we will recognize and honour these worldwide processes.
We won't live to see the day, but it'll be alright.
It's sad (and a shame) that suffering can't be stopped now, but human mankind will learn from it
It will take a few years (centuries probably) before we will recognize and honour these worldwide processes.
We won't live to see the day, but it'll be alright.
It's sad (and a shame) that suffering can't be stopped now, but human mankind will learn from it
a grouchy morning reaps sarcasm, sorry.. 
a bad warming trend was inevitable.
the sun is currently the hottest it's been in recorded history, but maybe that's a non-factor. oh, maybe too many people made the sun god angry and he's burning us until we stop sinning, reduce the population buy say 6 1/2 billion and weed out the bad genes out of the gene pool and evolve into more perfect beings.....
this "space elavator"'s rope is anchored to what? yes, we all understand what's going on....
people could just get on with treating each other better in the first place. all these problems could then easily be handled. if there's any killing to be done, the greediest among us can go first. you know, the ones that think they own it all themselves, personally. that would leave ample resources for people to have good lives and be able to mitigate disaster. disaster must come, it's a function of this world. our response doesn't have to involve extra suffering over it. humans did not invent climate change and there has been deadly and disastrous climate change several times in human history, wiping out numerous human settlements, this is known.
better to get on with life, better to not follow greedy jerks who want to control everything and everyone. better to make sure that others are taken care of as we would like to be cared for, better to face our fate and stop whining like a bunch of directionless females(sorry ladies, but you know what i'm talking about), and deal with it. the greedy "leaders" won't help. they have engineered the crisis(there is no crisis, problems always arise in life).
the problem is not the physical reality, but our reaction to it. the way we've been encouraged to think about it. the solution can't be regulated. stopping "greenhouse gas" is not the solution. there are plenty of good reasons to stop using "f'ossil" fuels(another lie, fossil fuels are not from fossils), and those reasons alone are worth finding other fuel sources. the fossil fuel problem will sort itself. the danger from climate change is still real even without greenhouse gasses.(actually, in the long run, "greenhouse gasses make cooler wheather because as it heats up and they build up, plants start growing like crazy which makes the temperature drop, so after the warming trend, comes a crazier cooling trend), even without HAARP(a device for heating the ionosphere, or "exciting" portions with microwaves and other radiation spectra). the system is dynamic and self balancing. how unpleasant that might be for humans depends on how well they take care of each other, just like always. blood sacrifice to the sun god won't help.
a bad warming trend was inevitable.
the sun is currently the hottest it's been in recorded history, but maybe that's a non-factor. oh, maybe too many people made the sun god angry and he's burning us until we stop sinning, reduce the population buy say 6 1/2 billion and weed out the bad genes out of the gene pool and evolve into more perfect beings.....
this "space elavator"'s rope is anchored to what? yes, we all understand what's going on....
people could just get on with treating each other better in the first place. all these problems could then easily be handled. if there's any killing to be done, the greediest among us can go first. you know, the ones that think they own it all themselves, personally. that would leave ample resources for people to have good lives and be able to mitigate disaster. disaster must come, it's a function of this world. our response doesn't have to involve extra suffering over it. humans did not invent climate change and there has been deadly and disastrous climate change several times in human history, wiping out numerous human settlements, this is known.
better to get on with life, better to not follow greedy jerks who want to control everything and everyone. better to make sure that others are taken care of as we would like to be cared for, better to face our fate and stop whining like a bunch of directionless females(sorry ladies, but you know what i'm talking about), and deal with it. the greedy "leaders" won't help. they have engineered the crisis(there is no crisis, problems always arise in life).
the problem is not the physical reality, but our reaction to it. the way we've been encouraged to think about it. the solution can't be regulated. stopping "greenhouse gas" is not the solution. there are plenty of good reasons to stop using "f'ossil" fuels(another lie, fossil fuels are not from fossils), and those reasons alone are worth finding other fuel sources. the fossil fuel problem will sort itself. the danger from climate change is still real even without greenhouse gasses.(actually, in the long run, "greenhouse gasses make cooler wheather because as it heats up and they build up, plants start growing like crazy which makes the temperature drop, so after the warming trend, comes a crazier cooling trend), even without HAARP(a device for heating the ionosphere, or "exciting" portions with microwaves and other radiation spectra). the system is dynamic and self balancing. how unpleasant that might be for humans depends on how well they take care of each other, just like always. blood sacrifice to the sun god won't help.