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Is spdif (AES) sync reliable as wordclock in Pulsar ?
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:16 am
by musurgio
Hi,
I have a mytek studioclock device (what a sound to my whole system !!)
It has aes/ebu out that outputs the same clocking information that bnc wordclock outputs send but for aes/ebu connections.
I have connected using a canare 110/75 ohms transformer to Pulsar classic spdif input.
Sync and sound is solid.
I wonder though if it is the same class of sync as with using a sync plate and poulsar worclock in connection.
Regards,
Dimitrios
Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:11 pm
by garyb
i would expect the best results from syncing to word clock, but the aes sync should be more than good enough. aes works great.
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:17 am
by djmicron
one of my systems is synced to aes ebu word clock and it's ok .
slight crackle prob (wordclock?
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:44 am
by Wired
gary, if my api has the aes, how could i hook up something in cw (i have a16 ultra and syncplate) to try and get rid of a little crackle?
Cause it seems the a16 masters to scope via adat?, and connects to api via bnc cable (w/o wordclock), i'm having trouble with this
slight crackle prob (wordclock?
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:45 am
by Wired
gary, if my api has the aes, how could i hook up something in cw (i have a16 ultra and syncplate) to try and get rid of a little crackle?
Cause it seems the a16 masters to scope via adat?, and connects to api via bnc cable (w/o wordclock), i'm having trouble with this
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:00 am
by astroman
as long as you don't have the BNC studio clock (you mentioned in another post), slave the Scope to the API and slave the A16U to Scope - the crackling will be gone for sure
cheers, Tom
api only has sync in
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:47 am
by Wired
no sync out on api only sync in
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:36 am
by astroman
the sync is included in the s/pdif and AES signal - you can set it as the sync-source in the Scope samplerate dialog.
Of course the ABI box must be on constantly then, or you'd have to switch sync source, even that wouldn't be a big deal .
cheers, Tom
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:44 pm
by garyb
yes, just slave scope to aes(the api) and slave the a16 to scope.
slaving
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:49 pm
by Wired
garyb wrote:yes, just slave scope to aes(the api) and slave the a16 to scope.
i thot that only api can be slave whether spdif or aes, there is no master option from api
slaving
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:49 pm
by Wired
garyb wrote:yes, just slave scope to aes(the api) and slave the a16 to scope.
i thot that only api can be slave whether spdif or aes, there is no master option from api
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:59 pm
by astroman
if the API is set to 'internal' clock (probably it's default) then it IS master, as any device that wants to communicate with it has to slave to it.
Try it -it will work
master slave is just a picturesque description, it's not a special mode
cheers, Tom
api no master capabiltiy
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:05 pm
by Wired
if you look at the rear side of the api A2D, it only has bnc sync in, .. 1way spdif (which is out), aes (not sure, only one, probablyout), so i know that api must be slaved, but if my a16 is master via adat to scope, how does my api sync up because it doesnt have adat only bnc....i will rent a wordclock, but they are such a ripoff to buy
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:44 pm
by garyb
if it's a digital device it has an internal clock. sp/dif or aes out will carry sync.
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:53 pm
by garyb
or if you really want, try slaving the a16 to scope and then sending wordclock via bnc from the a16 to the api.
the earleir method of making the api master is probably easier, but....
just make sure that you use the proper cable if using aes or bnc. it must be a digital cable if aes or sp/dif, it can't be a mic cable or other audio cable. aes are 110ohm, sp/dif are 75ohm and wordclock is 75ohm. not using the right cable will make noise from a light distortion to hardcore crackles.
bnc
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:33 am
by Wired
thankx, one of the probs i had was that when i connect wordclock out of the a16 to the sync in of the api , only silence, ...(i thot that was because i don't have a wordclock, but what your saying is the a16 does so i can use the out of the wordclock even tho i don't have an external wordclock, but i still get silence.
i think the confusion with scope comes in is because sync is with a16 and scope via adat, not one wordclock hub for all, ...
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:44 am
by Shroomz~>
With a CW sync plate installed, Scope will send out wordclock via the plate's BNC out while Scope is slaved to another external devices' clock via adat. This is proven to work very well & should work in most situations. In other words, while your master Scope card is slaved to your external AD converter (A16 in your case), it will also pass wordclock sync to it's spdif, adat & BNC outs & should sync several devices without a problem.
did work
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:16 am
by Wired
[quote="garyb"]if it's a digital device it has an internal clock. sp/dif or aes out will carry sync.[/quots
seems no minor crackles happening, i have the a16 on adat and scope slaved with api coming in spdif, ...so is the api master in this scenario and if the sync is coming in spdif , and opt is adat, how is it picking up spdif sync?
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:12 am
by garyb
the api's clock sets scope's clock via sp/dif. scope sets the a16's clock via adat. viola! everything is timed the same, no clicks.
clock is clock regardless if it is transmitted via bnc, aes, sp/dif, or adat.