Have you seen this films?

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Darwin´s nightmare (Le Cauchemar de Darwin) (Huber Sauper)


and:

Memoria del saqueo. (Fernando Solanas)


The both show how 1st world countries stole poor countries, and even more, how a few persons, owners of multinational enterprices can shut down democracies and an entire country like Argentina.
I´m really afraid what is happening The real thing I´m afraid of, is why some million of persons scaned buy some traitors and fucking predators who have stolen them the main important resources of his country, can´t go there and cut their guts.

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redemption takes place already. Be sure.

yes? How, where?

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production jobs are killed in the wealthy countries.
so called 'pirated' goods everywhere for a fraction of the 'genuine'
SW coders are in the eastern hemisphere.
oil wells are in the mid east.
....

I would like you to be more detailed on each issue you tell.

[garyb]

everyone wakes up or everyone loses.

there's quite a plenty of everything. in truth we are all quite wealthy, everywhere. it's just a few mean ones and a whole lot of ignorant ones. be assured, there are some pointlessly wicked things on the agenda.

[garyb]

What I express is that in all times there has been inequity and exploitation

this is not true. what you describe is a direct result of civilization bringing subjects and rulers. it is not a natural human condition, but a learned behavior. just because no one around here remembers much else doesn't mean that there is nothing else. once again i remind of the bushman culture, only extinct since the fall of apatheid, over 30,000 years old and having none of those issues.

[hubird]

thinking along evolutionary lines, one could say, that's why their culture is doomed to die or even is die-ing...missing natural human behaviour now that isolation has stopped...
or is this rhetorical argueing?
still great that there at least was one example of how we should live

[garyb]

they are the sons of adam if you will, pushed into the one of the most inhospitable parts of africa, the kalahari, over the course of generations by the sons of the builder cain. they are the root stock of all human tribes and families(shown through dna). they were originally on the east coast near the horn of ethiopia, somalia and eritrea, but were pushed south and west by their cousins, both semetic, bantu and nubian(children of earlier migrations). now they live in town or camps to show the tourists how they used to do it. stone age technology was near perfect. humans thrived anywhere on the globe with it in perfect harmony, wanting nothing. iron age technology always needs new grazing land for the cattle and farmland for the grain while the town destroys both, hence the need for solutions for the solutions until today when all cultures look to extinction. no, theirs is human behavior. the missing trait is in us and we are the ones in danger. they are the canary in the mine. of course the blooodline continues, it's the original human culture that got us to now(the few thousand years of civilization pale to the tens of thousands of years humans lived through without it, without war and strife) that has passed.

don't get me wrong, i have no illusions of "back to nature". i know that there is more to this than meets the eye, but it has not always been like this. most of the time it's been quite different. the will to dominate is the abberation of the few that has become the standard to which the masses must bow. authority is a (relatively) new invention. it doesn't work in the bush which is why ultimately, the san or bushman culture was dismantled by a forward thinking south african government.

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The two films I mentioned was not exactly about exploiting and inequity. Is about "STOLEN". I think is significantly diferent.
In any capitalist, liberal country, economic diference occur, but that´s not mean that the one who is on worse condition cannot have a job and a car. And even there are very rich men on the same country, the conditions of the "poor" are not bad, or in some countries a still good.
From this perspective we may look at sudamérica, see Argentina by Tv breaking the windows of the banks and thinking they are the "poor guys" of the globalitation. But things was not as occured inside our country.
On "Memoria del saqueo" film (Sack memory), is detailed what occured there. The Argentina goverments along two decades have traitoned their own country two the limit of meeting with foreign banks and concocted a supposed private debt of that banks. That debt was not exist, was made by some lying movements between banks and big enterprices.
The state payed the banks big quantity of debts with public money, the state money. They emptied million of dollars from the state to private banks, what is imposible to understand, why the hell a state have to pay a private enterprise their loses. But even were untrue.
More that that, they sold the most important wealth of the country, state enterprises of oil, gas, etc, for less than 1/10 of its value. The state gived away the most important wealth founts of the country, intentionally, and at the same time their few politics entered on the rich guys family with the traition.
That is not exploiting. That was STOLE a whole country without put nothing unless bribe a few politics. That mean the dominacion of some power guys over a democracy. Lot of laws on Argentina was changed that time that have protected themselves till now. A few guys (from inside and outside) shuted down and stoled a hole country and killed thousands of people for the dramatic degradation of the country.
The two films show similar things, Le Chauchemar de Darwin is not so clear about the goverment tramps, but show the consequences on Africa.
I think is quite diferent to exploite a country taking advandage of superior technology, and other thing is direclty stole it directly with lies and tramps, deceiving people with controlled comunication mediums.
Tha Argentina case was really too much big swindle. Their external debt growed more than 10 times, but was not real, was a swindle. The country don´t have the debt. Is really hard to believe. But seems it can occur anywhere, and seems whe are in hands of a few guys.
Really the two films are worth to be seen. They uncover some things we have been missing, and believe me, we all still are quite manipulated, and still unknown too much.

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This is then more on a regional scope where potentially corruption and misuse of power certainly can easily disbalance the situation.

What can help. Vigilance and good faith ?

I don´t think was a regional issue. Instead that it was much more noisy. Argentina was 2nd world, potencially could be 1st word, but ended as near 3rd word.
It´s wrong to think about their politics as the responsable. the FMI is responsable as well, those banks, Repsol, YPF, very big enterprises made the swindle, not only the politics. It occurs the same in Africa. Black people walk along miles of km to try to arrive to Spain. Policy take them on the frontiers mot cases, but the gas, come without problem through a big pipe, and cross the frontier under the fence without any problem.
That black man are potencially rich because they have important resources there, but they not have gas to make their food, or worse, they don´t have food.
So corruption, to stole not only is a located issue of Argentina.
Realize that when exploiting, the capitalist takes advantage but puts capital, and puts in risk resources.
When stolen, no capital is putted. Just is taken what don´t belong to. Repsol and YPF now owns very important founts of Oil and gas over the world they have not payed, or they have paied the 1/20 part of it´s real value. In the case of ARgentina, they got no only the resources but also all the technical mediums to extract them was already there, and full working and giving beneficts, and they got all that for a few dollars. They also are responsable, and maybe the main guilty.
Really both films are not the usual documentary we often see, when we see realities, but not the causes. This ones put the finger on the wound.
I think you´ll can find a translated version, or subtitled version on your language.
I don´t want to talk about what to do. I would like you to see this two films, and then talk here about them.

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Did you know that we are eating food that are coming directly from Africa? I mean, fish , oranges, grapes, etc that are cultivated there?
And fished by black on a lake there?
So, What liberal, capitalist theroy can explain that in that countries they have nothing to eat, while we are eating from there? And what is more depressing is seen on our TVs, advertisements of ONG where we can be godfather of a child there, and so, what will he eat? his food? So we will give them some of their own country food? And we´ll fell very good for not being stealing all?
And did you know that the airplanes that carry the food from Africa to the 1st world, when return to Africa they go a good freight of arms?
Yeah, a good payment for the food.

What can help. Vigilance and good faith ?

Starting to get this two films, see them, and then publish them as posible as we can over internet. Even we may think we can do nothing against all this, the most important problem is disinformation, and manipulation of the mediums. Publish this type of documentaries, is a must, even not the solution. But I think is esential as a start point, that the most people can see the truth.
I have seen many documentaries, but no one as this two impacted so directly, since:
1) Banks of my own country have stolen Argentina millions of dollar with a scandalous swindle, and that bank I have on the next conrner.
2) The other day my father went to the market and bouth oranges. Asked the seller, and told, they came from Africa.
3) I saw on TV when the President of my country (Spain), wen to Argentina to show the lean of our country with them, and saying that our enterprises will remain there to try to recover the economy.
4) Now I have realized that those entreprises, Spanish ones, was exactly who stolen the money. So the bank I see on the next corner here, was the one who have made the swindle there, and much of the money here, was taken from the public funds of the Republic of Argentina.
I realized all this, seeing two films at the second channel of our public TV, at 1:00 AM hours, where everybody is sleeping.

Since they don´t show all this at 3:00 PM, when people is seen junk TV, I thnk is a must to try myself to pubilsh it the best I can.