Vinyl?

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:04 am

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:54 pm

Vinyl sounds better.

It's difficult to pirate.

But the stupidity of this world means it will probably die in favour of MP3 which sounds like absolute shit.

ReD_MuZe · Post by **ReD_MuZe** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:11 pm

two black or white articles there...

vinyl doesnt suit every type of music, and mp3 is a temporary technology.

aslong as there are people who like music that sounds better on vinyl, there will be vinyl, and the more the merrier.

vinyl will not die, just as rock is not dead and so isnt classical music.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:44 pm

I don't miss the pops and the lower dynamic range and the noise.

ReD_MuZe · Post by **ReD_MuZe** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:03 pm

how about the warmth, the smoothness, the punch, and the lack of resolution?

listening to led zeppelin on vinyl is a much better experience than listening to a cd with it. ofcourse its a matter of taste, but there is music that was made for vinyls, and that music will always sound better on vinyl...

Post by **hubird** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:11 pm

Eat Static...

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:21 pm

For me it feels like a living medium, while CD is flat and predictable. Vinyl just captures the vibrancy of music incredibly well. Clicks and pops don't matter, the world is full of background noise. Why pretend otherwise?

Red - good point - probably no coincidence that most modern music bores me to tears...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:03 pm

listening to led zeppelin on vinyl is a much better experience than listening to a cd with it.

Saw them play live.

On 2006-08-28 16:11, hubird wrote:
Eat Static...

Love them!

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:04 pm

On 2006-08-28 15:44, braincell wrote:
I don't miss the pops and the lower dynamic range and the noise.

Like the music churned out on CD these days has any dynamic range?

Post by **hubird** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:25 pm

On 2006-08-28 16:21, darkrezin wrote:
Red - good point - probably no coincidence that most modern music bores me to tears...

dance IS modern music, and it's released (initially) on vinyl...

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:53 pm

That is because DJs like them for mixing music. There is no dynamic range in club music because if it was soft you could not hear anything above the noise of the crowd.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:10 pm

anyone with a good turntable and a good pressing knows that vinyl has a really sweet sound in spite of it's limitations. audiowise, vinyl is superior. vinyl is also superior in longevity, there won't be many 40 year old functional cds.

cds are great in their own way however, and anything beats mp3s which are the new gold standard....

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:48 pm

history and archives. What about your grand grand grand children listening to what you are doing now in a hundred years

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:05 am

On 2006-08-28 17:04, bassdude wrote:
Like the music churned out on CD these days has any dynamic range?

Shocking innit!

Check: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.n ... 2E005DAF1C

(OK, OK I'm a Rush fan!)

Scroll to about just over half-way down on the page, the chaps analysis of the dynamics of the last several albums (how they've gone from nice-dynamic-range to square-wave) is pretty eye-opening!

'Counterparts' (hey, where've I heard that before?) was a noticeably more 'punchy' album and Vapour Trails is, frankly, ruined by the amount of compression applied. Want louder music? See that dial, with 'Volume' written on it..?

(Perhaps somebody should tell mastering studios about the invention of the HiFi 'Volume' control?!)

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:21 am

It's like an arms race because if you are on the radio, you don't want your song to suddenly sound much lower in volumethan the other songs, also in the car you have to compete with a lot of other noise. The last Peter Gabriel album had a song with an incredible dynamic range. You would turn it up to hear it and then when the loud part came in, it would hurt your ears. This was only a problem in the car though.

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:30 am

I do my mixing still with oldfashioned cds but I´d really like to test a ssl or a fs system with a controller.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:13 am

On 2006-08-29 08:21, braincell wrote:
... if you are on the radio, you don't want your song to suddenly sound much lower in volumethan the other songs, ...

that's how it used to be (once), but today you're better off with a balanced, yet punchy mix - the stations WILL drive it over the top with their built-in loudness maximizers right before airplay.
There are no exceptions, each source gets an identical treatment, regardless of content or intention

vinyl is here to stay

I may enjoy a few originals that > 50 years old, but 5 year old archive CDs in the office are already loosing bits...
the latter s*cks completely, because there's no visual evidence - it effectively means to make an additional copy of the pile just to be on the safe side

cheers, Tom (addicted to the black stuff)

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:24 am

As a 'dj' I enjoy vinyl for the resolution the analog fader yields on a technics sL1200 mk2/3/5. The only substitute for that is using Serato/FS but imo the complexity of that rig makes for a more difficult time than just opening a Record flight case or cd folio when you are stepping up to dj. In my studio/broadcast mixes I use Records, Final scratch (sometimes even in traktor mode with a controller), ableton live and all kinds of other craziness. However for live I will use CDs & vinyl every time. CDs for unreleased tunes and stuff by my friends, vinyl for the classics that fill out a set.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:57 am

I've been a vinyl curmudgen for 14 years now. I'm a DJ as well. One thing that is swaying me lately is space issues. Four thousand records take up a butt-load of room. Most of them I treasure. However, musical styles change (although some are perrennial classics) & I would be satisfied with 44.1/16 bit recordings of two thirds of them.

Another issue is the price of an import 12". Paying between $13.00 & $15.00 for one, maybe two playable tracks is ludicrus. I've spent $600.00 on vinyl this year & I don't have a lot to show for it.

The main caveat I see as mentioned in the previous post is finite pitch control. I like long mixes (often times 3 minutes in length. When your pitch control goes from 0 to 0.1 to 0.2 etc., it's questionable to achieve tight mixes over a long period of time.

I think the laptop dj thing is plain cheesy. The kinesis of the DJ whether or not he's fist pumping is part of the performance. When it looks as though your in an intense round of Warcraft & your on a stage, it just looks akward.

I suppose what I'm getting at is I'll buy it on vinyl if it's absolutely slamming. If it's merely a good addition to my repretoire, I'll buy a high-res download from Juno.

Michu · Post by **Michu** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:47 am

On 2006-08-28 15:44, braincell wrote:
I don't miss the pops and the lower dynamic range and the noise.

http://www.airwindows.com/analysis/VinylNoise.html

i've found it an interesting read